Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant

[Cloxxki]

@Omnibus. A positive contribution, thank you.

Room improvement might have been to also show the 45deg figures, to show how it goes from 40 back to 0, and get a more precise reading?

Could you be so kind to apply to the last and most promising shape, an alternative slot layout?
- shorter hook, to have immediate release.
- wider slot below the hook, tapering towards the axle where it's the usual width
- slot, being aimed offset forward clockwise. Let's say, by roughly 1/4th of the radius on the inner end.

I wonder if a difference would be show, and if so, what kind.

Thanks and regards,

J

[Omnibus]

@Cloxxki,

Thanks. Wonder if you have a dxf of that wheel? It's interesting to see what the effect of different froms of the slots would be alongside the effect of the track shape.

Any construction which would cause a decrease in friction would bring us closer to the goal. Finding ways to decrease friction is, in a sense, a problem similar to achieving superconductivity. One wonders what might the systematic methodology be regarding friction now that we have the methodology to determine systematically whether or not a device is a perpetuum mobile.

[Cloxxki]

Edit : sketch oploaded. Only the "ahead" and "wide" features reflected, no specifics.

I have Solidworks to my disposal, but not the skills to do as much as draw a line.
Make it like the pulling spoke on a bicyle wheel, the point where it's on the spoke flange is radially ahead of the spoke nipple at the rim. Difference in bicycle wheels is up to 1/4th revolution, in our case much may be better, the weight can gain only so much advantage.

Friction reduction is an "easy" one, and comes after having established the ideal geometry. The weight not touching anything but the lower ramp seems like one way to do away with friction, although not my main point.

So far, I've been missing most forms of discussion regarding how we want the ramp to affect the placement and timing of the weight relative and on the wheel. Slot types have been very shortly considered, but never really argumented.
To optimize slot shape, after having fixed ramp dimensions and placement, we'd want to calculate/plot the positions of the wheel and the weight from the moment disengagement at 5:00 commences.
Do we want the weight to push the wheel shortly, the wheel to push on continiously, or to get a good amount of "absolute free rolling" action before the weight becomes a factor for the wheel again?
My hunch is we need to explore the last option especially, that's something never done before in similar attempts at PMM.
The slot needs to have some width to it, to allow the weight it's freedom of movement. Seems to me any bouncing around between the slot edges would cause considerable drag. You can tell from the video stills that Abeling was working on this as well.
As the weight decellerates upwards and inwards, the wheel should be catching it up it (litterally) with ideally a super soft gradual tap and roll. Actual speed of the wheel upon release at 5:00 may affect slot position relative to its rolling weight.

[Omnibus]

@Cloxxki,

This wheel is closer to Abeling's patent and somewhat similar to your wheel with the ellipse+esaymmetric track from the earlier figure, showing the greatest effect. As you can see, the slots don't seem to cause a tangible change in net torque in this case.

Of course, the right-hand side of the track should be drawn further to the right and then the net torque will be higher. Drawing it isn't that straightforward, at least for me, if it is to be smooth. Will have to see what can be done.

[stgpcm]

No, as I said, the normal vector is acting on the arm solely,

Yes, you said that, unfortunately, that doesn't make it true,

Look at that component vector.  It is also acting on the guide - it is no longer acting away, or tangentially from it. You need to re-resolve it against the guide. Otherwise your maths is wrong.

Your net torque is a result of your incorrect maths, and is not the source of the free energy in Abeling's wheel.

You have no proof your maths is right. I have reached the same result for my maths with three entirely separate methods of calculation, backed up by real world observations of those that have attempted to replicate the machine.