Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant

[Omnibus]

@Cloxxki,

Attacks at me were mainly by paid activists or by opportunistic superficial enthusiasts who don’t know what scientific reasoning is. One of the goals of such paid activists is exactly to discourage people like you from considering rational arguments and to sway them out into barren land.

What is seen from my analysis is that in absence of friction, self-starting (not “after a good initial nudge”) of Abeling type wheel will inevitably spin indefinitely. That’s a major conclusion which is the basis of my optimism in these matters. There’s no other fact or, in your words, mathematical solution which can remotely compare to the above conclusive finding. I should say that’s the only reason I have any interest in this kind of device (Abeling’s is just an example of OBW). Any new design must be some modification of an OBW, otherwise it would be hopeless.

As for the practicality of it, I repeat, that’s not an issue now. Let’s see first a wheel running on it’s own, then the improvement and optimization will catch up like wildfire.

[Ken the Great]

LOL@omnibus

If the Abeling wheel is understood as you say, what could be more important that you building one?

Have you started yet? If not WHAT IN THE WORLD COULD BE MORE IMPORTANT?

LOL@the ignorance of omnibus and his statement.

If I thought it was any business of yours what my situation is currently, I would type, " HEY OMNIBUS GUESS WHAT MY SITUATION IS CURRENTLY"

But notice I didn't type that.
Lets ask ourselves why.

Because it is none of your business.

I tossed out some of the basics of the ideas and what did I receive? Ridicule.
Which is the very reason I REFUSE to post my plans on here.

ABHammer and I talked on the phone and after chatting with him for a short time I emailed him the plans FOR FREE!!! no strings attached.
I made one request, WHEN he builds the working prototype, simply email me and tell me it works.

I told him I don't even care if his group claims the rights to it,
as long as he lets me know it works, then when I get TIME which is what I lack currently. Then I will build my own and use it for my personal use.

AB assured me if it works they would make sure I received the credit, which I thought was a very honorable and just position to take.
I have no desire to keep it a secret from the world, only from accusatory idiots.

So omnibus why are you so LAZY?

See how utterly stupid an erroneous accusation is?
It serves no useful purpose, it merely divides any group into smaller groups along with the division of ideas.

Maybe a short lesson in the Golden Rule is in order?
I will treat you how you treat me, because of course that IS how you want to be treated, correct? LOL

One thing you have done omnibus, you have assured the rest of the people here I will never post any ideas in this forum from this point forward.

GOOD JOB!!!

Was that what you were going for?

How many children do you have?
How many are special needs children?
How many of your parents are incapacitated and need your around the clock attention?
How long have you been without work because of the economy?

Might have been smarter for you to ask these questions BEFORE you ridicule.

But I do not really see you as smart, I actually see you as quite the opposite, I am sorry to say.

Was that what you were going for?

One good thing you did do, you DID make me laugh. HAHAHAHA

[ramset]

There seems to be an awful lot of ego around here!!

For a site with an open source theme??

Chet

[Ken the Great]

Helloooooooo Cloxxki,

How are you today?

I am going to start by saying the approach omnibus is trying to take by making a wheel that won't do any work first then try to improve it is the exact opposite approach one needs to take.

Once you have a design if the friction of the bearings and other items are causing it to stop, the design is useless.

A true over balanced wheel design that REALLY works will have an ABUNDANCE of free energy to tap. Much more than any friction will counter act. If one starts with the silly notion friction will cause the wheel not to work, then that person doesn't understand the over balanced wheel. PERIOD!

They can make all the claims they want, but their starting premise is flawed.

Unless the wheel is in a terrible bind where you can't turn it manually, or some similar situation. FRICTION IS IRRELEVANT!
If your sole purpose is to overcome friction, to get the wheel to turn, you have MISSED the design entirely.

The design of my wheel will cause the builder to require to block the wheel during construction or once enough parts are installed, before the wheel it complete, it will start turning ON ITS OWN.

Ignore lifting, ignore friction. When you have the correct design, those things will be irrelevant. Concentrate on the geometry and the power of leverage. Length and location of the levers are critical to attain the correct geometry.

Lets do some math shall we? First lets describe the positions of the weights.
weight number one is in lets say the 12:30 position, its counterpart, we will call weight 5 will be in the 6:30 position. The weight in the 6:30 position is about to leave the perimeter and head towards the axle. However before it does weight one and 5 are balanced in this position. No output power.

Now if we evenly space the weights on the perimeter then weight 2 will be at 2:00 and its counterpart weight 6 will be at 8:00, but closer to the axle.
Because of the device used to shift the weight. This will cause the wheel to start to spin.

Now weight 3 of course will be at 3:30 and its countpart weight 7 will be 9:30 and all the way shifted by then to the axle. This will be more output.

Now weight 4 will be in the 5:00 position and its counterpart weight 8 will be at the 11:00 position all the way against the axle also.
This will generate some more power.

Now out of the 4 sets 3 sets are in a position to generate power, while one is neutral. This doesn't even take into account the force from the flywheel effect.

Now you pick a weight size, and then pick the wheel diameter, then lastly pick the distance the weight will swing from the perimeter to the axle. No need to calculate weights 1 and 5. Only the remaining weights need to be calculated.

Do the math and then you will see the output power will be more than sufficient to make friction irrelevant.

If you start to hike from Hawaii to New York you will have a problem, because of the point you started from. Same with the OBW, start with the premise that so much power can be extracted that friction is irrelevant and you will not waste your time building or even contemplating useless ideas and protoypes.

Have you built any wheels?
Do you have time and space to do so?
Where are you located? the US?

Send me an email and we might be able to discuss this further, I won't be revealing anything in this forum except basic principles.

Well I have things in life to tend to, so I shall leave you to your devices and vices as the case may be.

Make fun of me if you want to, just don't steal my toothbrush!

[Omnibus]

I lost my mother several days ago and I was the only caregiver. That's why I'm in Europe right now. Makes you wonder how insensitive some people are.

Despite what I'm going through now I know full well that pursuing perpetuum mobile is the top priority because it concerns the whole world and not only my little life.

Therefore, I have to tell the likes of @Ken the Great that they have nothing. They are just boastful mediocrities and we've seen plenty of that kind infesting this board. Until he shows some concrete details, as Abeling has done, the fairest conclusion is that he has nothing and shouldn't waste bandwidth here.

On the other hand overbalanced wheel idea (say, in Abeling's rendition) had been proven conclusively to be sound and should be pursued vigorously. I don't think there's anyone or a group in the US capable of making it properly. If there were the likes of Vacheron Constantin would be US made. Most manufacturers are in China now anyway but Chinese made is a synonym of crap. So, what remains are the watchmakers in Switzerland and probably, if there still are such, old mechanical engineers from the beginning of last century in Germany. Unfortunately, that's a long gone time for Germany and what we are left is Switzerland where exceptional craftsmanship is still preserved. Too bad there's no one from Switzerlan here in this thread to fill us in the situation there in this respect.