MylowHJ Replication - Discussion

[wattsup]

In my view, what the @LightRider (big thanks) graphs on the other thread show is exactly what the magnet can only do and that is react to a changing impulse coming from the attraction and repulsion and this develops a changing cadence that the natural magnetic environment is able to afford given their varying distances. A non symmetric disposition of magnets will produce a fluctuating rotation and that is all I can accept at this point.

But here is something else I have learned with my own wheel. Of course this applies to my testing with neos magnets having a massive 12lb pull but in general this should also apply to channel magnets.

Magnets are smart little buggers. They always have an answer to how they will react. I think they actually morph under varying circumstances because the N/S fields just intermix like too pools of water joining to make one bigger pool. Or they will change one polarity from each magnet that is stuck at that point to become a mutual blotch wall.

I was able to make a rotor set with a maximum of 8 magnets and still have the stator pass through it. So naturally one would surmise that if this 8 magnet set was repeated all around the wheel with spaces in between, each set would provide some positive propulsion and the wheel should turn. But no it does not. As soon as the circle of magnets is made, the individual sets of 8 lose something or put another way, it is as if the completed circle of segmented magnet sets now becomes ONE as if the whole circle becomes a magnetic toroid and the stator cannot find any forward position. The only way to solve this is to increase the space in between each set of 8 in order to break the magnetic loop. But then, the wheel circumference having a maximum limit means to increase inter-set spacing, you have to cut the number of total sets. You then get to a point that there is not enough sets and too much open spacing. I think Mylow, after many trials has come to the point that in his wheel, and given his particular rotor magnet strength, came up with the last 7/7 + 1/6 sets as his last trials. He screwed up. He should have left his wheel as is with the 3 set - 6 set.

WARNING: If you every have a fully rotating MylwoHJ Wheel........... DO NOT CHANGE ANYTHING!

Noticed this also. As you add more and more rotors to a set, at one point the set changes (or morphs) and you get a center blotch wall developing with the field traveling out from the center in both directions. As if there is a limit to how far you can stretch a field by adding more and more magnets. This is probably because as you add magnets to a set, the whole field grows further outward from the first and last magnet further out into the no rotor zones. This stretches out the rotor sets unified field and by doing so this also stretches out the center blotch wall which is a very bad thing to have when making a Mylow Wheel.

Another thing I have noticed. Spacing between each rotor in a set should not be pre-calculated or deduced by looking at other wheels. Since the norths/souths are all placed the same way, bringing two rotors together will create a mutual repulsion. I have found that if you place the rotors close enough to feel the repulsion, then that is the distance you need between the rotors. For stronger rotors this distance will be greater then when using weaker rotors. By doing so you are creating with a set of rotors a type of linear catapult. That catapult energy is transferred to the wheels aluminum mass as inertia and it is this inertia that is turning the wheel strong enough to enter the next rotor set.

Based on this and on how Mylow managed to get his last video rotors so close together, I would say his rotors have a maximum of 1 to 2 lbs pull strength. With rotors that size, if they were 12 lb pull, he would never have been able to bring them that close and then glue them to their positions, and then hoping they would hold.

Look at HJ's Rotors. They are very big, must have alot of flux and imagine putting two norths that close together how much repulsion is being generated between them.

Well at least I am learning about magnets. There are things here that you will never realize if your were making a magnet wheel that is motor turned. You do not give the same amount of thought to such wheels as you have to with all magnet systems. lol

I read somewhere that HJ also used some flexible magnet material. Probably to make a crude magnetic shielding to try and cut the stickiest points.

Now that I have tested with neos and learned alot, I will make a solid aluminum wheel, order some rotor magnets and a few stator magnets. But the only real way we will learn more about this wheel is if the rotor magnets can be secured to the wheel without gluing so inter-spaces can be adjusted quickly to do many many tests. I can understand the hardship of gluing magnets only to have to take them off and re-glue then each time would be very difficult, tedious so I will try and make a special bracket/screw arrangement and have a special grooved edge on the wheel so I just loosen a screw to move a rotor in the groove and secure it again. That would be the ideal testing wheel for me.

So more testing and learning for me before I can see this thing clearly as it is.

PS: Regarding the MIB thing, I don't know if it is real or not, but if it was, I don't think they are worried about the wheel in itself, but the many things we will learn while making the wheel. lol

[slapper]

Thank you cloud camper. I have been trying to figure out how to describe how Howard Johnson's theories relates to Mylow's motor. You have done it better than I can.

I've been playing around with the idea of perhaps placing some material behind one of the poles of the horse shoe u stator magnet to get a handle at tuning this thing. Pure speculation at this time.

Thanks again wattsup and thank you cloud camper.

Take care.

nap

[queue]

Magnets are smart little buggers. They always have an answer to how they will react. I think they actually morph under varying circumstances because the N/S fields just intermix like too pools of water joining to make one bigger pool. Or they will change one polarity from each magnet that is stuck at that point to become a mutual blotch wall.

Good observations .. i noticed very similar results when building the 3 6 set the first time. As i would add each new array segment to the rotors circle it would change the behavior of the whole loop group.. right back to the start position .. very frustrating and not NEW to me.

Building the Archer Quinn arrays it was exactly the same thing - the array would work one way up to a point and then change as i added magnets near the end to close the loop. In every mag array or smot that i ever constructed..  movement would slow down as the loop got near to close. It 's almost as if the magnets know what you are trying to do and react accordingly to stop you ..

Of course this is not in fact true but calling them smart little buggers certainly makes sense to me after having played extensively in their fields. While waiting for my new stator mags to arrive this week i am rebuilding the 3 six arrays to see if i can reproduce more accurately Mylows config with my mags .. 

Update from me soon ...

[cloud camper]

"Building the Archer Quinn arrays it was exactly the same thing - the array would work one way up to a point and then change as i added magnets near the end to close the loop. In every mag array or smot that i ever constructed..  movement would slow down as the loop got near to close. It 's almost as if the magnets know what you are trying to do and react accordingly to stop you .."

This is just symmetry being displayed from the B fields.  It will be necessary to sink the B fields with
permeability plates to get them out of the way just like HJ did.  Any cogging or sticky spots indicate
that B fields are still in play.  The real movers are the vortical spin fields which are asymmetric.  The
spin fields do not have sticky spots.  Of course I haven't accomplished this quite yet myself ............

We know HJ's Stonehenge motor worked.  The USPTO refused a patent until they had a working
demonstrator.  Then he got his patent.  Why not try it the HJ way?

[Fred Flintstone]

@queue & @wattsup

If you can get a single segment of rotors to work...then instead of completing the circle, which changes the behavior of the group....complete the circle on a separate disk. In other words, if there are 6 sets of segments, you would need 6 separate disks stacked about 6" apart to a single axle and 6 separate stator mags. Obviously quite a bit of work. But, I actually think this is a moot point since I doubt a single segment even works. Have you ever got a single segment to start outside of the the stator, move into it and then exit without helping it along?

Fred