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Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?

Started by powercat, April 13, 2009, 06:40:33 PM

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Quote from: hartiberlin on April 26, 2009, 07:18:55 PM
Hi Groundloop.
you are wrong,
You forgot to calculate the duty cycle into it.

In the last test at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLOMUXEIiQg

he had a test at around Minute 3:00

where he measured:

ouput:
51 Volts
29.5 amps

and at the input:
92.4 Volts and 21 Amps.
Now he had the duty cycle about 50 % on/off
so the voltage must be divided by 2.


Don't forget dividing drive motor input amps, also  ;)

Liberty

Quote from: hartiberlin on April 26, 2009, 07:18:55 PM
Hi Groundloop.
you are wrong,
You forgot to calculate the duty cycle into it.

In the last test at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLOMUXEIiQg

he had a test at around Minute 3:00

where he measured:

ouput:
51 Volts
29.5 amps

and at the input:
92.4 Volts and 21 Amps.
Now he had the duty cycle about 50 % on/off
so the voltage must be divided by 2.

So he still had about COP= 1.5, so 50 % more out than in.

Regards, Stefan.

P.S. I agree that he has to measure the amps with a different measurement method
also involving low pass filters.
His digital camp ampmeter probably does not show the real values.
He needs to get shunts and also show scope shots.

Also his filming is much too fast. He should probably better use Google video,
where he can make longer videos and use a tripod and document the settings a bit longer
and show the screen readings also a bit longer and with more detail.
But at least he is building up a great system to research it !


As I understand the amp meter reading in direct current, I believe it should already take into account the duty cycle and gives you an average current draw regardless of duty cycle.  The voltage remains the same in the calculation.  I believe it would give an average current draw with enough capacitance at the battery to compensate for any duty cycle issues and therefore you should not divide by two in the voltage calculation to be accurate.  Power calculation is a product of both voltage and current.  P=IxE.

As the duty cycle increases the current draw will also show an increase and will be reflected on the meter reading in overall current draw.  It appears not OU. 

I agree with Harti that not jumping around and making a lot of changes while taking a reading is necessary to get any real idea of what is actually going on.  The quick changes without complete voltage and current readings with each setup tend to 'muddy the waters'.
Liberty

"Converting Magnetic Force Into Motion"
Liberty Permanent Magnet Motor

minde4000

He posted his location and it seems he lives 2 hours away from me. If he is gonna stick with his story for much longer I could take my scope and other meters I have and pay a visit at tommy's studios :) If this is gonna look promising for much longer...

amigo

Quote from: minde4000 on April 26, 2009, 08:18:46 PM
He posted his location and it seems he lives 2 hours away from me. If he is gonna stick with his story for much longer I could take my scope and other meters I have and pay a visit at tommy's studios :) If this is gonna look promising for much longer...

Yes, and bring some 750-1,000W light bulbs, as Tommey refuses to run a high impedance load on his setup ... :)

I hope it does not turn up another MYLOW...

Shit, after that fiasco we could have a saying: "He pulled a MYLOW on us." The guy would end up being famous, just for a different reason, lol.

nyctuber

Quote from: amigo on April 26, 2009, 08:21:35 PM
Yes, and bring some 750-1,000W light bulbs, as Tommey refuses to run a high impedance load on his setup ... :)

I hope it does not turn up another MYLOW...

Shit, after that fiasco we could have a saying: "He pulled a MYLOW on us." The guy would end up being famous, just for a different reason, lol.

The MIB's will give themselves a hernia seizing all his stuff, let alone bringing it back!