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Pulse Motor ( no work required to remove rotor magnets from cores )

Started by SkyWatcher123, April 16, 2009, 05:03:11 AM

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SkyWatcher123

Hi folks i posted this in another forum as well but think it needs revisiting.
The Kawai motor, Bill Mullers odd-even motor uses the same principle, albeit using different methods, to enable a magnet rotor to move from pole to pole, or core to core without requiring any additional input work to do so, therefore when an electromagnet is energized we take full advantage of the benefit of using ferromagnetic cores and should have a net gain in horsepower by eliminating the work required to remove a magnet from a core.
Here is a cad pic of what i am speaking of as far as the odd-even design.
I will be building this design soon. Any thoughts on this principle are welcome.From what I understand standard electric motors have losses, the biggest losses are the counter emf and then theres the natural ferromagnetic drag or attraction back to a core, which in standard motors, brute force is used to overcome thereby ensuring the c.o.p. is below 1.0, here are some numbers,not mine, from tests on a Kawai motor. "Pure steel was used as a magnetic material. The magnetic material was 30 mm in thickness and formed to have magnetic teeth of 218 mm diameter and notches of 158 mm diameter. A ferritic magnet was used as a permanent magnet. The magnetic force of the magnet was 1,000 gauss. Electric power of 19.55 watts was applied to the electromagnets at 17 volts and 1.15 amperes. Under the above condition, a rotational number of 100 rpm, a torque of 60.52 Kg-cm and an output of 62,16 watt were obtained." and here is a quote from Bill Muller, "However, if no work is done in moving a magnetic pole around a closed path in a magnetic field, such as a rotor inside of a stator, the net effect would be that work could be extracted by the movement around the complete path without any other change in the system, giving the possibility of a perpetual motion machine that is seemingly contrary to the laws of mechanics.", "That means, efficiency greater than 100%,
an actual amplification of the available energy as opposed to a net consumption of the energy."
The design i posted seems the most simple as far as switching goes and I could use attraction or repulsion. Your thoughts are welcome.
peace love light

Xaverius

Nice idea Skywatcher, very similar to Bill Muller's design.  Hope you have good luck building it  Any plans for a video or schematics to be posted?  Good luck.

SkyWatcher123

Hi Xaverius, thanks for reply and encouragement. I have posted this in energetic forum as well although i will post circuit here also. I've actually changed the design for now to 3 stator coils at 180 degrees to each other, so switching is a little easier so it would be 3 phase switching. Heres the drive circuitry.
1) hall effect-a1101
2) pnp 2n3906
3) npn tip120
4) npn nte392

SkyWatcher123

Hi folks, just an update on motor construction. I've finished the rotors and the stator coils and stator plate. One thing i've changed for now is the stator it is now 3 stator coil/cores instead of the 4 shown in the cad pic, switching will be easier and the geometry still cancels all attraction sufficiently. Also as stated, this design is using dual rotors sandwiching the stator plate and my concerns over stablity are not an issue, the rotors rotation by hand and briefly energizing a coil is very smooth and very torquey even at 12V. Next step is to build the timing wheel with magnets embedded and mount hall switches then wire up the drive circuitry.
heres a cad pic of the new stator layout for those who may be interested.

Groundloop

@SkyWatcher123,

Could you explain your electronic a little better? I see you have wired all the triggers together.
Is you your plan to fire all the coil at the same time? Also, the circuit was a little hard to read
because of the colors. Can you post a circuit with a white background?

Another question, is all the magnets facing one set of coil the same way? E.g. North against coils.

Regards,
Groundloop.