HHO explosion slowing down the burn speed of HHO to get compatible with gasoline

[Low-Q]

I have done some experiments today and it seems quite fine to add voltage in normal tap water without baking soda or salt. The water produce HHO, but the production is quite slow. I now spend about 40W power, 28V at approx 1.4A, and it produce about 1dl HHO in 5 minutes.

The air mix in HHO does seem to slow down burn time. If I try to light the gas very close to the bubbles in the bubler, the gas explodes very fast. If I move the lighter 1 - 2cm away, there is much duller bang - as it burns slower I guess.

Vidar

[markdansie]

Hi try this company if you want som good cells. There about as good as any I have seen plus ou can get their 25 litre a minute nits and string them together.
http://www.marchlabs.com/our_hydrogen_generators_and_hho_cells_s/3.htm
Kind Regards
Mark

[vrand]

Hi try this company if you want som good cells. There about as good as any I have seen plus ou can get their 25 litre a minute nits and string them together.
http://www.marchlabs.com/our_hydrogen_generators_and_hho_cells_s/3.htm
Kind Regards
Mark

Nope, it is basically a heater unit that makes steam.  The series cells are NOT sealed from each other so the water/electrolyte flows around the neutral plates to the end plates. So no gases are produced by the "neutral center cells" in the "Supernova" 25LPM cell (claimed).

http://www.marchlabs.com/PhotoGallery.asp?ProductCode=supernova

Also, NO REFUND or WARRANTY on the $999 price.  Buyer beware.

Regards

[CompuTutor]

A few years ago I saw a video from a guy, ( before youtube was born)
who had mixed with an aquarium airpump lots of air into a Y-hose together
with very little HHO coming from his small electrolyzer.

The flame which came out of his air and HHO mix hose was burning very slowly
and was not explosive at all.
It reminded me of the flame of just gasoline or a candle.

That is right Stefan,
when HHO (Actually an incorrect name...)
is matched 2:1 in proper stoichiometric ratio
it is has the fastest flame propagation of any gas.

At the moment of electrolysis it is stoichiometric,
but any and all stages after that it is unbalanced.

Even les unknowingly (by holding that jet just outside of the intake)
dilutes the ratio and greatly changes the burn rate.

If fact,
unless the engine ran closed loop from the cell
with no other input of air of any kind
it would no longer be a stoichiometric ratio.

However that is a stupid idea...

Look for the video of a small cox engine
run directly off of an electrolysis stack.

LOL, it turns white hot just before it seizes.
Takes just under twelve seconds or so...

Very impressive display of to hot / to fast.



If forcibly diluted with an airpump it does burn way slower.

Oh,
and keep hydrogen peroxide far far away
unless you understand the resulting mix!

Fuel with to much oxidizer
and nitrogen also
slows burn rates,
plainly put,
air + HHO equals slower burn.

Add water mist and your way farther ahead
of the whole implosion loss issue,
try ultrasonic humidifier replacement boards.
They are all over eBay and elsewhere.

But either way,
the ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) is made
to run on a slower burning fuel.

A fuel that delivers force during a large portion
of the entire power stroke of the piston.

Hydrogen will never be adaptable to this.

However,
using HHO to catalyze or ignite other mixtures
that wouldn't otherwise burn normally in an ICE
is an excellent use of it.

Like very lean mixtures from a fuel reformer (GEET),
or steam/mist of water from an external device.

Remember the ratio of water to vapour WILL
easily propel the piston through It's full stroke (Meyer).

[chessnyt]

This question is for whoever can field it:

Regarding engine operation; there are a lot of youtube videos (as well as other HHO site resources) that state that igniting HHO in the cylinder causes a suction (implosion) and therefore pulls or sucks on the piston and draws it towards the cylinder head.  Then there is also a lot of videos and the like that claim the ignition of HHO gases in an ICE cylinder causes the gas to explode and pushes the piston away from the cylinder head in the same way gasoline would.  Could someone please tell me which is the case?

Many thanks in advance,
Joe