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Latest: No back torque generator.

Started by broli, May 01, 2009, 09:04:43 AM

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gravityblock

Quote from: BWS on May 15, 2009, 07:52:24 PM
Your sketches at the beginning of this blog will not have such unipolar effects and could never reduce LL losses due to the opposing fields in rotation
-BWS

From your perspective, I would think rotation of the magnet would be irrelevant or fruitless since you can't rotate the field, it would remain stationary regardless of the rotation.  So, why are you trying to spin something, if spinning something doesn't change anything?

You should be spinning the wire or the disk, since spinning the magnet doesn't change the field cause it will remain stationary.

Quote from: BWS on May 15, 2009, 05:59:40 PM
In my setup I have a 4.5" dia magnet and a similar sized disc right next to it, but on a different shaft and motor so the magnet and disc can be counter rotated or clipped together to corotate, or independently rotate.  This setup clearly shows the field remains fixed and induction occurs best in the magnet itself.

I apologize for not understanding your view on this.  Your actions don't seem to be inline with your thinking.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

broli

Quote from: gravityblock on May 15, 2009, 08:31:01 PM
From your perspective, I would think rotation of the magnet would be irrelevant since you can't rotate the field, it would remain stationary regardless of the rotation.  So, why are you trying to spin something, if spinning something doesn't change anything?

You should be spinning the wire, since spinning the magnet doesn't change the field cause it will remain stationary.

I apologize for not understanding your view on this.  Your actions don't seem to be inline with your thinking.

You made me think about something that I haven't seen before for some reason.

I kept saying that the rotating wire or disk induces the voltage and that the stationary circuit is producing the counter torque. This counter torque applies only to the rotating magnet. SO the question is. What if indeed the magnet was stationary and the conductor rotating. Then according to my reasoning the stationary brushing circuit WILL apply a torque on the STATIONARY magnet. But who gives a damn, the magnet is not attached to the conductor anymore thus it will not produce the counter torque while current is being generated.

What I'm saying is that in lumen's second experiment power is being generated without a counter torque. Of course you cannot prove this on that setup ;D

Edit: Please ignore this post  ;D . Yes the counter torque of the stationary circuit doesn't count anymore. But the counter torque of the rotating wire counts now. If it were attached to the magnet we would again end up with what we started. So in one case it's the stationary circuit doing the back torque and in the other the rotating conductor is doing the breaking. Damn you Lenz. You guys confused me too much, I knew this already but somehow slipped up.

BWS

Broli,
Well, funny you should ask. 
Mostly I've been broke.  My complete story is very long winded.  Please note that it took 24 hours of your attention here to get to the point where you might acknowledge my work.  I've made countless presentations and proposals.  I've suffered through harassing scammers and fallen victim to a few.  I've been raising my daughter and finally have a decent wife.  I've had countless bad contracting jobs, and been ignored by just about everyone who could help. 
  It takes very special people with specific technical questions to go far enough into this work to get anywhere.  The national economy has not helped, and the hype about green energy has not found me.
  Anyway, I'm ready to work on this but I need backing.  I approach about 4 possible sources/week.  A few months ago I found some guys in Fort Wayne IN through this site to take me seriously enough, but the company who expressed interest has dropped the ball.  The next device will be expensive; it requires considerable CAD work and could cost $.1 Million.  Much less if done on a shoestring, but I can't work on a shoestring anymore.  I have 20 years and $1/4Million of my own invested already.  I'm willing to divulge most of the information freely, but I will hold the highly complex brush design proprietary until I have a contract.
  Current saturation means that the disc is filled with current flow in a uniform manner all the way around.  The radial current will trickle in a solid disc and LL will rear it's ugly head.  with many radial inductive elements, the secondary field is forced to split into 2 parts swirling on opposite directions on either side of each disc, but combining in unison between the discs.  There are no easy answers here, there is no simple drawing.  This is a complex device, and field dynamics are invisible, so it is very difficult to get engineers to look at it especially with the limited explanations of LL in textbooks.
  If you want to review my designs, go to my website and look at the drawings.  I have 2 more prototypes beyond the one I put pics up of.  The balls shown in the last attachment are inadequate to carry enough current, so high rpm tapered roller pins will be the choice for the next device; hence the cost.
  More info as you request it...
-BWS

broli

Quote from: BWS on May 15, 2009, 08:50:23 PM
Broli,
Well, funny you should ask. 
Mostly I've been broke.  My complete story is very long winded.  Please note that it took 24 hours of your attention here to get to the point where you might acknowledge my work.  I've made countless presentations and proposals.  I've suffered through harassing scammers and fallen victim to a few.  I've been raising my daughter and finally have a decent wife.  I've had countless bad contracting jobs, and been ignored by just about everyone who could help. 
  It takes very special people with specific technical questions to go far enough into this work to get anywhere.  The national economy has not helped, and the hype about green energy has not found me.
  Anyway, I'm ready to work on this but I need backing.  I approach about 4 possible sources/week.  A few months ago I found some guys in Fort Wayne IN through this site to take me seriously enough, but the company who expressed interest has dropped the ball.  The next device will be expensive; it requires considerable CAD work and could cost $.1 Million.  Much less if done on a shoestring, but I can't work on a shoestring anymore.  I have 20 years and $1/4Million of my own invested already.  I'm willing to divulge most of the information freely, but I will hold the highly complex brush design proprietary until I have a contract.
  Current saturation means that the disc is filled with current flow in a uniform manner all the way around.  The radial current will trickle in a solid disc and LL will rear it's ugly head.  with many radial inductive elements, the secondary field is forced to split into 2 parts swirling on opposite directions on either side of each disc, but combining in unison between the discs.  There are no easy answers here, there is no simple drawing.  This is a complex device, and field dynamics are invisible, so it is very difficult to get engineers to look at it especially with the limited explanations of LL in textbooks.
  If you want to review my designs, go to my website and look at the drawings.  I have 2 more prototypes beyond the one I put pics up of.  The balls shown in the last attachment are inadequate to carry enough current, so high rpm tapered roller pins will be the choice for the next device; hence the cost.
  More info as you request it...
-BWS

Yes we all have a story to tell. But bottom line is to never give up on your believes. I may not agree on the road you have chosen but you have to keep pushing forward.

I'm pretty sure I can understand why you did what if I "translate" it to my reasoning method. Besides the exotic things that can arise at very high speeds and what not, to me the homopolar generator/motors are not a mystery anymore. The big quest now is finding a loophole that will allow you to r@pe  Lenz, and I feel we're getting close as the smell of shit is getting stronger.

lumen

With a stationary field, then any moving object will generate a current AND a back emf. There is no way around this or the current was never generated!

Just the electrons flowing from the center to the outer ring will cause a back emf no matter what path they take.