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Ricks Pipe Dream

Started by AquariuZ, May 23, 2009, 04:40:30 AM

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rickoff

Quote from: poynt99 on May 31, 2009, 09:45:01 AM

What will happen once Rick "connects the link" between the rotor and stator is the rotor will gradually slow similar to how it does now without any stator movement.

This really has been tried dozens of times before with no success. It doesn't appear Rick did any research beforehand. It matters not what configuration is tried, the result is always the same. Confirmation should be just a few videos away.

This is not a skeptical point of view as I have indeed tried this myself.

.99

The rotor may indeed slow down after I "connect the link," but will in no way be similar to what it does when the stator is locked.  That's because with the stator locked there are 4 accelerative forces and 4 decelerative forces encountered per revolution.  In moving stator mode, there are 8 accelerative forces and zero decelerative forces met by the stator per revolution.  Therefore, the only factor that can possibly slow the revolutions with the moving stator is the amount of force required to move it, and I do believe there is adequate inertial momentum at the wheel and flywheel to provide that force.  I am sure that you would be amazed at how little force is actually required to move the stator when the stator to rotor gap is at 1.75 inches or higher.  At that height the required force is really negligible, while acceleration effects are still very good.

I know this has been tried dozens of times before with no success, but not with my exact build and methods.  I may also try dozens more times and fail, but I will continue with the quest until I succeed or die.  What did you do after you tried and failed?  You accepted defeat and gave up, didn't you?  And you took to heart what all the naysayers kept telling you.  Now their mindset has become yours.

When I do die it is my hope that the many who are now replicating my Pipe Dream apparatus and methods will continue from where I left off.  At least they will have the advantage of knowing everything that I have done, and how to duplicate it, which until now has been something pretty much unheard of.

And don't kid yourself - I did tons of research before setting out on this quest and establishing the direction of this project.  Everything that I have done so far has a definite purpose behind it, and is not a product of happenstance or blind exploration.  I wouldn't be so presumptuous as to claim that I will succeed on my first attempt at a self runner, but neither should you be so presumptuous as to claim that I will fail.  Time will tell, but for now no one knows for certain.  It really seems to me that several people here not only expect that I will fail, but also hope that I will, and I just can't fathom where that attitude comes from.  Maybe it just grows on you after hanging out here too long.  If so, I'll be sure not to spend much time here.

Rick 

poynt99

Quote from: rickoff on June 03, 2009, 07:02:07 AM
Therefore, the only factor that can possibly slow the revolutions with the moving stator is the amount of force required to move it, and I do believe there is adequate inertial momentum at the wheel and flywheel to provide that force.

There are 4 stator movements per revolution I assume, and it is necessary that the force required to do this is available from the rotor, plus excess force to keep the rotor moving.

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I am sure that you would be amazed at how little force is actually required to move the stator when the stator to rotor gap is at 1.75 inches or higher.  At that height the required force is really negligible, while acceleration effects are still very good.

I am sure you will be amazed at how little force the rotor actually has after each quarter rotation. If it has not been measured, how can one be so certain that it exceeds the force required to move the stator? You can not include inertia into the equation, just the raw forces.

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What did you do after you tried and failed?  You accepted defeat and gave up, didn't you?  And you took to heart what all the naysayers kept telling you.  Now their mindset has become yours.

Actually, I put it on the shelf for further thought. I have an open mind. After all, I was willing to entertain the idea that Mylow had actually succeeded.

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Time will tell, but for now no one knows for certain.  It really seems to me that several people here not only expect that I will fail, but also hope that I will, and I just can't fathom where that attitude comes from.  Maybe it just grows on you after hanging out here too long.  If so, I'll be sure not to spend much time here.

No, no one knows for certain as you say. I hope you do prove me wrong. By all means. If your apparatus really is as fundamentally different than every other ever tried in the past, then perhaps you are right, but I must confess that I do not see it myself.

Good luck,

.99
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rickoff
You say there is little force to move the stator and that the rotor will have more than enough force to do this, What are your measurements of this force?
Oh well time will tell if your feel is right.

rickoff

Quote from: lostcauses10x on June 03, 2009, 11:58:30 AM
rickoff
You say there is little force to move the stator and that the rotor will have more than enough force to do this, What are your measurements of this force?
Oh well time will tell if your feel is right.

Well, at just 5 rpm it takes a 6 ounce force at the rim to stop the wheel.  At higher rpm, of course, it takes much more force to stop the wheel.  But at 5 rpm, or any speed, it requires just a 2 ounce force to move the stator.

ramset

Rick
I am anxious to see how you will have us move the stator.
I believe help will come from many places!

You are one of a kind
Thanks
     Chet
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