Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications

[i_ron]

Derricka and Larry,

I was wondering more along the iron theme. What about the propagation delay of the flux in iron at these speeds?

The reason being, if you missed my earlier post, when I used Somaloy there was no core loss reduction...rather an increase in draw with the coil shorted.

This test should indicate that it is iron that is required, not capacitance.

So what I am saying is, if the flux buildup in the core is delayed then so also will the voltage buildup in the coil… in respect to the magnets position.

Ron

OK, the first test with the laminated core and a 63 ohm coil... with the circuit open the draw was 15 watts. With the coil shorted the draw was only 4.42 watts.

However, with the Somaloy core the draw was only about 4 watts to start with and shorting the coil increased the draw!

[derricka]

Derricka and Larry,

I was wondering more along the iron theme. What about the propagation delay of the flux in iron at these speeds?

The reason being, if you missed my earlier post, when I used Somaloy there was no core loss reduction...rather an increase in draw with the coil shorted.

OK, the first test with the laminated core and a 63 ohm coil... with the circuit open the draw was 15 watts. With the coil shorted the draw was only 4.42 watts.

However, with the Somaloy core the draw was only about 4 watts to start with and shorting the coil increased the draw!

This test should indicate that it is iron that is required, not capacitance.

So what I am saying is, if the flux buildup in the core is delayed then so also will the voltage buildup in the coil… in respect to the magnets position.

Ron

Interesting you should mention the flux buildup delay. I once placed steel ball bearings on very tiny Neo magnets, and noticed the delay in repulsion, of another rapidly approaching Neo magnet. Like Thanes rotor, it exhibited a "critical speed" effect. I think the iron has an effect on magnetic flux change, similar to a capacitors effect on voltage change. Still, this is no guarantee of a free energy lunch.  I agree, that to sort out the different effects in Thane's coils, more types of measurements need to be taken. If we can't convince Thane to make the extra measurements (for his own good), all we can do is our own research. 

[i_ron]

If anyone here is confused, let me shed some light on the situation.
For a purely inductive coil, Tinsel Koala and iRon are correct. (Voltage is zero at top dead center)

Thane is claiming voltage is not zero. This is because Thane's high voltage coils have a significant capacitive component, due to the larger number of turns.

Derricka and Larry,

I don't think there can be any misunderstanding of what Thane said...which was...

WHEN THE COIL/CORE IS DIRECTLY OVER THE MAGNET THE INDUCED VOLTAGE IS MAXIMUM NOT ZERO.

AS THE COIL/CORE MOVES AWAY FROM THE MAGNET THE POLARITY CHANGES AND THE VOLTAGE BEGINS TO FALL TOWARDS ZERO.

THE INDUCED VOLTAGE DROPS TO ZERO WHEN THE COIL/CORE IS EXACTLY HALF WAY BETWEEN THE NEXT MAGNET ON THE ROTOR.

IF THE NEXT MAGNET ON THE ROTOR IS AN OPPOSITE POLE THEN THE INDUCED VOLTAGE WILL PROCEED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE Y AXIS ZERO POINT.

IF THE NEXT MAGNET ON THE ROTOR IS THE SAME POLARITY THEN THE INDUCED VOLTAGE WILL REMAIN ON ONE SIDE OF THE Y AXIS I.E. DC.

A MONO-POLE ROTOR WILL PRODUCE A DC "SINE WAVE" BUT IT IS ONLY ONE ONE SIDE OF THE SINE WAVE AXIS.

This is not correct as I have shown. Therefore any theory based on this incorrect assumption would be false.

Ron

[CRANKYpants]

I think you people are missing Thane's main point:

From Wiki under parasitic capacitance:

For example, an inductor often acts as though it includes a parallel capacitor, because of its closely spaced windings. When a potential difference exists across the coil, wires lying adjacent to each other at different potentials are affected by each other's electric field. They act like the plates of a capacitor, and store charge. Any change in the voltage across the coil requires extra current to charge and discharge these small 'capacitors'. When the voltage doesn't change very quickly, as in low frequency circuits, the extra current is usually negligible, but when the voltage is changing quickly the extra current is large and can dominate the operation of the circuit.


Thane is maximizing the parasitic capacitance and it is discharging at TDC to produce the acceleration.


Regards Larry,

PS: just noticed that derricka beat me to it, but the parasitic capacitance observation is important.

LarrySEE and DERRIKAinmyheadlights,

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(assuming you are guys)

ANY FAILURE TO GET THIS POINT ACROSS UP TO THIS POINT HAS BEEN MY FAILURE - SO THANK YOU FOR FINALLY GETTING IT - YOU MADE MY FREAKING DAY!

THANKS
T

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I_WRONG AND HARD_TOE,

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[i_ron]

LarrySEE and DERRIKA,


ANY FAILURE TO GET THIS POINT ACROSS UP TO THIS POINT HAS BEEN MY FAILURE - SO THANK YOU FOR FINALLY GETTING IT - YOU MADE MY FREAKING DAY!

THANKS
T

Thane, the bottom gif is correct... for a loop in a magnetic field... with a commutator.

But when you go to a coil/core and passing magnet then what I have shown is correct.

Do the test

The pulse builds up on approach and declines to zero at TDC, then the pulse (sine) builds negative.

I clearly show this with one magnet and one coil. That is a sine wave in the JPG, no hocus pocus, no mylow, just a fact of life. Do the test and you can see that this is true. It has to be. It can be nothing else. When the magnet approaches the coil/core the the sine is one way... when the magnet leaves the coil/core the sine is the opposite.

Ron