Stan Meyer Energy is Stolen from The Sun

[L505]

You know what HB, all I've ever wanted to do is to get to the science behind Meyers WFC. And it is science not magic.

I look at all the possibilities and try to fathom what I could be missing that would make it work, unlike many who simply accept it... though can never replicate it!

I have explained much of the science, if indeed I am correct that is. I continually harped on the fact that lightening gets its energy from the wind and the sun. If Stan is getting energy from the electrons stored in water, and creating a lower energy water for the sun to recharge, he has indeed created a special battery and we can rigorously prove it through equations. But only I have provided the actual science behind "where did the electrons go and when do they get replaced chemically?" The answer is photons from the sun, or electrons from windmills will replace stan's de-electroned water.

WHETHER OR NOT THE de-electroned water actually exists and whether or not Stan is a fraud or not is still out in the open - but only I have provided the actual questions and answers that are important - the sun, the sun, the sun! Photons converted into electrons.

Ironically Stan also uses the reverse - injecting photons in, through his gas processor. H20power thinks he has solved this part but never answers the missing electron issue. I answer it by what comes out the tail pipe and how it gets recharged.

But as a scientific person, I do encourage people to disprove my photon theory. What really needs rigor from here on is the proof that water can exist in a de-electroned state out the tail pipe... and the energy required to get it to that state. It is in fact different than regular electrolysis because regular electrolysis does not create this special unstable water out the tail pipe. We also need to look into our current lakes and ask whether or not some unstable water already exists from lightening storms that didn't go the best they could with regards to discharging and equilibrium.  If this water phenomena exists in nature too, it gives us more evidence that water with missing electrons is possible.

We also have to ask whether our air will be harmed and will it be missing electrons if our atmosphere tries to make equilibrium with the vapor out the tail pipe.  Which electrons will jump first, when this de-electroned water goes out the tail pipe? Which ones will stabilize the water? hopefully the sun and traffic lights shining down on the car will simply provide us photons near immediately, and that is how most of the unstable water will be recharged. That would reduce the costs of storing the "bad de-electroned exhaust water" on farms to recharge in large pools.

[L505]

It is common knowledge and well known science that photons will be absorbed by atoms and raise electrons to higher orbits (energy levels), but it takes an exact amount of energy to raise an electron to a higher energy level. Likewise photons are emitted by atoms if an electron drops to a lower energy level. This is accepted science.

The vapor coming out the tail pipe is low energy because the flame never succeeded in stabilizing like a regular flame would. The energy that a regular flame from a match takes, comes from the electrons in the atoms jumping levels. The energy that Stan's flame takes is stopped. The flame creates a special vapor that is low energy. The vapor then turns into a low energy fluid, or remains as a low energy vapor - the sun then provides the missing electrons, which is the question that needed to be answered all along. What happened to the missing electrons? How did Stan get away with extracting electrons - why didn't the electrons simply go back where they wanted to be? He created a condition where the flame was not like a regular flame that you see from a match. The energy comes from the SUN. But it could also come from wind mills or fossil fuels if need be.

[L505]

I don't think voltage can effect an electrons orbit, it has to be a photon particle. Voltage is only potential energy, a photon is a particle of energy. It is the electron that absorbs or emits a photon in order to make a transition between energy levels. Every electron energy level in every atom requires a specific discrete amount of energy to make a transition, this is why only photons of certain frequencies are absorbed or emitted by orbiting electrons. Incidentaly, if an outer electron absorbs too much energy it can free itself from the atom altogether, and, I believe, in this state the electron is free to attain much higher energy levels.

The photon particle is what the Gas processor is all about. 

There is indeed energy required to dislodge electrons. The question is, when we burn the hydrogen, can we create a powerful flame not like a regular flame which just converts everything back into regular water. A powerful flame that does not recombine the hydrogen/oxygen into regular water? Then we have found the energy source that Stan was tapping into. Water has energy available in it only if we can steal the energy through mass. Electrons have mass. Without the water turning back into water again, what do we have? A loss of mass. A consumption of the electrons in water mass.

A fraudulent perpetual motion machine would steal the energy from water and out the tail pipe we would have regular water again. But, the question is can we put something out the tailpipe that is not water. Then we have a proper chemical equation to work with. Water that is missing electrons and therefore we can restore the lost energy through the sun, or windmills.  Is the flame very special, in that the flame is not a regular flame that creates low energy water - instead it creates low low low low low energy water that cannot even really be classified as water. It is ionic mist that is at even lower energy level. This low low low energy level mist is then recharged by the sun or windmills - law of conservation satisfied.

[L505]

This is not so though is it, because the voltage itself is the result of a build up of charges on the plate of a capacitor. The capacitor might not pass electrons, but it is the electrons that provide the potential difference between the plates.

It is the electrons that have gone missing that provide a potential difference in Stan's system. The electrons gone missing mean that the Sun has to replace them (or windmills, or even fossil fuels) at some point later.

There is current flow in Stan's system. It is after the water comes out the pipe and the sun shoots photons into the water to recharge it. That is where the current is.

Stan's vapor that comes out of the pipe can be thought of as a solar panel in fluid form being expelled, or a solar battery that has been discharged by the vehicle and now needs recharging once it comes out the pipe. This obeys laws of conservation and is what is needed to satisfy rigorous physicists and mathematicians.

The question is does the flame which does not actually act as a normal flame, exist in the combustion chamber? is Stan not a fraud, then? A regular flame emits several photons and heat and just creates regular water! What happens in a different flame? Stans flame emits more photons and heat because the ash is not water with equal electrons - the electrons were taken, and it is not a low energy ash out the tail pipe - it is an EXTREMELY LOW LOW energy ash out the tail pipe. See the difference? Lower ash than water is created (therefore more energy stolen, that needs to be replaced to obey conservation of energy).

This energy that is used to power the vehicle needs to be conserved and it is replaced by sun photons out the tail pipe or collected for farms with big pools to recharge.

[L505]

Agreed voltage alone without the passage of current can influence other charged particles or bipolar molecules, etc, without current flowing. But, unless insulated in some way, as soon as any charged particle reaches the source of the voltage, it will interact, exchange charges and effectively we will get current flow.

This is why Meyer's WFC has yet to be explained. I've no doubt that the electric field caused by high voltages on the plates will cause water to ionise, but that only gives us H+ and OH-. How does Meyer explain how we get from this point to the evolution of H2 and O2, without the H+ and OH- ions exchanging charges at the electrodes and hence current flowing?

Stan does not want current to flow or the h2 and 02 to be evolved. He wants the unstable substance to be created and electrons to be consumed (extracted) so that they are not available for recombining. Since the electrons are stolen, there is an unstable flame and an unstable vapor ash that is produced - even lower energy than water. Water is low energy, but it can go even lower. This low energy water must then be recharged by the sun or the wind, or even fossil fuels. What is created is an ash that is more of an ash than regular water.