Stan Meyer Energy is Stolen from The Sun

[L505]

How can Stan steal energy from the Sun? first when I used the word "steal" I was using it for drama. What I meant was that he figured out a way to absorb energy from sunlight (photons).

Here is how he did it, if he was not a fraud. He finally in the later stages knew that ALL WATER CONTAINS ELECTRONS no matter what kind of water - take those electrons away (EXTRACTION CIRCUITE) and you must put them back later! This is what h20power and many others never explain!

How can you create electrons, you would ask? They can't be created, you are thinking? Ah ha! Can they be created and destroyed? Kind of, not really.. Photons are available to us everywhere. You can convert photons into electrons. See how a solar panel works which creates electrons from photons (creates? maybe a bad word, again an exaggeration).

Okay, so here is how Stan created a new electrolysis process - he stole electrons from the water. He created a solar panel out of water.  The fluid is a gigantic solar panel. The exhaust coming out the tail pipe is missing electrons and must be recharged by something. For every reaction there is an equal and opposite one.

Now, this means that if it is true that Stan created a solar panel out of a fluid - then we can mathematically and scientifically prove his device obeying all the laws of physics. The energy to run our cars comes from the SUN and water is used as our storage medium. CONSERVATION OF ENERGY IS OBEYED AND THE PHYSICISTS AND TOP SCIENTISTS in the world will no longer debate his device - they will simply accept it as self evident.

Stan I believe did not understand his device until later on when he realized the energy was NOT from God, but from the sun itself (or, anything that can recharge the drained water - photons from the sun just happen to work well)! Well, the water was acting as a "battery" with many many many electrons in it. Then the sun (or something) must recharge that battery which was drained.

Many inventors are genius in some areas ( I call it partially intelligent ), but they do not always understand other areas. It is completely odd that people can invent devices that work, but they do not understand them - BUT IT HAPPENS I have seen it thousands of times. I know of plenty of genius minds who do not understand fully what is going on, but are able to build racing cars or other complex devices that have a lot of science, chemistry, and physics behind them.

That is, if his device works. So far, this is the ONLY theory that obeys law of conservation of energy.  People like h20power have never written any balanced energy equations or explained where the energy comes from - they just resort to voodoo magic like "it is like how lightening works" without actually explaining that lightening gets its energy from the wind and the sun.

IF STAN WOULD HAVE EXPLAINED THIS ON DAY 1, then there would be less controversy! I honestly think he did NOT understand this on day 1, and it is sad that he only understood it later. Again, this is all assuming he was not a fraud.. though.

[L505]

The exhaust coming out the tail pipe of YOUR replications must be tested on mice. It is a simple and easy way to solve my concerns regarding toxicity and cancer.

Simply collect lots of exhaust gases from your volkswagon stan meyer replications, or whatever model of car you are working on, and then get some labs to do mice tests. Have the mice drink and breath the water in a lab. I know what you are thinking - blah, mice tests? who is gonna perform those. Well, TRUST ME, if this technology is a go, then LOTS of people and labs will be willing to do mice tests! Don't worry about that. I am simply WARNING humanity that if this technology is a go - we must do health tests!

The safety testing can be done. It is easier than I thought.  If the mice get cancer then we MUST recharge the water before dumping it into our atmosphere. If it only is a toxicity concern in our lakes and rivers after we "de-electron" millions of gallons of water... well, think about the water engine revolution coming up and how many thousands of barrels of oil we use? Yes health is a concern, and mice tests aren't that hard! 

We may create something similar to toxic oil spills - our lungs will be breathing water without enough electrons - what happens when our cells absorb this faulty water? Does it have effects in our lungs? How about drinking it from lakes. Mice tests will answer the question hopefully.

Maybe some of our water is already missing electrons from thunderstorms, I do not know. Possibly some water falls out of thunderstorms into lakes without returning to a balanced status. If so, we must study how much imbalance humans and animals can tolerate, and how this imbalance will affect us. understand that I am not trying to DISCOURAGE people from inventing the water car, I am rather ASSISTING people in performing the right safety checks so that humanity can live on happily and SAFELY!

A lot of inventors disregard safety. Stan had his floor blow up when he was working on his engine.  Many people on youtube don't wear eye glasses. Some people blow up things under their hoods and burn exhaust valves from too much hydrogen. Tesla never researched whether his wireless electricity would cause cancer. Today we can test much easier than back then. If we ensure that "water as a battery" is a safe battery, then it is far better and easier to use than oil. That's all I am suggesting - proper safety for humanity's sake (and let's not forget PLANTS that drink water, along with animals - what does this water do to our food?)!

Even if the water is toxic, we can still recharge it by collecting it and making special pools of water on farms, like solar panels.  I am not sugggesting the technology is a NO GO just because it might be toxic. There are solutions. IT MAY NOT EVEN BE TOXIC - test must be done. Or if you have any evidence or websites that water is NOT toxic when it is missing electrons, then go ahead and post.

Also, remember that fossil fuel, OIL and COAL is just a form of battery. That COAL came from PLANTS which came from the SUN! Now do you see how physicists will be happy and we can apply the law of conservation of energy, and stop all this bible thumping God nonsense which did Stan no real good? Do you see how I or we can solve the whole controversy aspect, and get the scientists and labs on top of the technology happily? One must explain the technology without crackpottery. Water, as a discharged battery which is then recharged - is not crackpottery.

[L505]

I have never gleaned anything remotely scientific from Meyers lectures and/or videos, and I'm always amazed by the various things that some people latch on to, and take to heart. I never cease to be amazed by how many people disregard the science and take it all on blind faith.

Agree for the most part, however Tesla had similar problems and he was no dummy. Tesla wrote POEMS to explain some of his theories for creeps sake. Tesla also tried to use analogies like how mass and energy were like "body and mind" in order to disprove Einstein E=mc2.  All inventors can be a little be rebellious and even bring God into their writings (tesla did that too unfortunately!)

Just because Stan was not a perfect rigorous scientist or mathematician, does not mean he did not find something useful for us. I am an extreme skeptic and have always held a 50/50 on stan. 50 percent of me was saying he was a fraud, and 50 percent was saying he was honest (due to his body language in his videos - he does not at all speak or act like a con man - except for his tinted glasses he is basically an honest speaker who simply lacks rigor - lots of people lack rigor but are still honest helpful people).

So understand that I as a skeptic am even starting to now think Stan really was on to something but he did not fully understand it until later stages.  Even Tesla had some crackpot-like science going on which he explained better in some writings, but poorly in others. Not all inventors are perfect rigorous scientists - they are rebels and outcasts who use unfortunately Art and God (and poems) at times to explain their inventions. Fortunately during the later stages when religious inventors understand their inventions properly - they then start to see that it is not God that is powering the invention, but something scientific like photons from the sun and electrons missing in water. Stan didn't live long enough to remove God from his invention - he would have done so gradually as he realized it was the Sun, not God. But he probably would say "God is the Sun" or some bull shit. Point is, we need to forgive Stan for his religious nature and his lack of rigor. WE Need to be the Rigor now, and fill in that expertise that Stan lacked.  Humans all have different specialties and areas of expertise - Stan happened to lack Rigor - let's fill it in then, and get others to also!

[L505]

please explain to me the reaction whereby voltage alone leads to the dissociation of the water molecule and the resulting evolution of hydrogen and oxygen.

The photons in the Sun are converted into electrons which fill in the gaps of the water that comes out the tail pipe.  Solar panels do convert photons into electrons.

As for the energy required to strip the electrons from the water...  this will be the final key rigor that is required to prove this device works. An analogy: think of a magnet that is stuck together. Can you get this magnet unstuck for free? no. So you drop the magnet in lake water and pull them apart using the energy from the sun some how using photons. You develop a device that simply converts photons into a puller that pulls the magnets apart. This obeys the laws of physics.

People think we can get free energy from magnets so let us pretend like Stan they invent something that actually gets energy from the sun, but they don't know it. Then later on they figure out the true source of energy finally, and no it is not a free energy magnet system but rather a magnet that is pulled apart by the sun so it can be placed together again. Now we have an electric motor that simply needs more rigor behind it.. but if it works then yes all we need is a combination of rigor, and the actual working device! Then we are set to go. Even if the device initially lacked rigor, we can provide the rigor NOW.

[L505]

My insistence on a balanced electrochemical equation for the reaction/s taking place - that no one has yet proffered - is quite valid.  Whatever is occuring is not by magic, so there will be specific reactions taking place.

The chemical reaction has a result with missing electrons which is different than typical electrolysis and burning of hydrogen. When we burn hydrogen usually the chemical equation is balanced. Supposedly Stan has an unbalanced equation which is then balanced by photons from the sun, later.  Photons do and can create electrons - solar panels are an example. If Stan's device is just a very special solar panel then we can prove it through equations. However if he was a fraud, which I am obviously still open to.. as a skeptic.. then I am just wasting my time with the photon from the sun theory.  Note that it doesn't have to come from the sun - it could come from, fossil fuels too - or wind mills - the sun and wind would be the most environmentally friendly for humanity.


What comes out the tail pipe in the chemical equation is not h20 but a water that is missing electrons, and therefore it cannot be classified as water really.