There is no Over Unity

[Tito L. Oracion]

Hi

planets are moving, rotating, revolving by themselves

WHAT IS THAT 

even magnets have mysterious unseen energy, a little movements of a coil or vice versa produce electricity using falling water oviously makes a recycle and convertion and overunity.

the heart of a human or an animal pumps by its own using only a fraction of energy and the body makes an unmeasurable designs of gigawatts of energy.

do you know tesla? etc?

otits 

[IronShell3d]

Hi Tito,

Planets are not electrons. Very different. May work for SiFi movies but not in reality.

A magnet's magnetic field is created by the rotating and moving 4 unpaired shell 3d electrons of the aligned Iron atoms. Nothing secret or unknown here.

As for the body generating GigaWatts of energy, if it was 99.9% efficient (and it is not) that is a Megawatt of heat it would need to get rid of. As the measured heat generated by a human body is more like 100 Watts, I suggest the GigaWatts figure may be a bit overstated.

Anyway all the energy we use was created in the Big Bang, then stored in the larger atoms created in the fusion furnace in the belly of our young sun before it got a belly ache, went Nova and formed the planets from the heavier atoms it had created.

So there are no OUDS (Over Unity Devices with more energy in than out). Just inventors working to tap unconventional energy sources using UEDs (Unconventional Energy Devices).

IronShell3d

[Liberty]

Hi Liberty,

Loading a magnet moves it's operating point up and down it's BH curve. In doing so energy is used as any BH curve movement causes Hysteresis losses. So any magnet used in a normal PM motor experiences BH curve operating point changes and Hysteresis losses. These Hysteresis losses generate heat in the magnet and may be enough to lift it's operational temperature above it's Curie point and cause the loss of it's Iron atom alignment and the loss of it's external magnetic field.

However the energy to drive the BH curve changes comes from an external energy source and not the magnet, so it's 4 unpaired shell 3d electrons do no work.

But if you let a piece of ferrite loose near a magnet, the two are attracted to each other and the H field of the magnet will need to expend energy to align the Iron atoms in the ferrite (drive it up it's BH curve). The aligning ferrite's Iron atoms will produce a external magnetic field which will result in mutual attraction between the magnet and the ferrite. As both move toward each other, kinetic energy is gained until they collide with each other and the kinetic energy is converted into heat.

So here again we have some of the 4 unpaired shell 3d electrons doing work and that work being converted into heat via both BH curve Hysteresis changes / losses in the magnet and in the ferrite and magnet collision.

IronShell3d

If I understand Hysteresis changes correctly, it means that the magnetic particles move or flip with a changing magnetic field.  This would be nearly impossible in a permanent magnet because if the magnetic particles flipped, you would destroy the magnet itself.  We know that the pinning material in a permanent magnet holds the magnetic particles in place and little if any heat is generated by flexing because these particles don't flip, thus making a permanent magnet.  Hysteresis does occur in iron due to changing magnetic fields in things like a motor armature.  They anneal the metal to lessen the effects of hysteresis in a motor armature.

[IronShell3d]

Hi Liberty,

Your understanding is ok for a perfect magnet but magnet are not perfect. Magnets do have BH curves. Take a short rod magnet. Working open circuit, the external field will be limited by the internal flux path (inside the magnet), in effect shorting the magnet and reducing the external field. Short the magnet by placing a C ferrite flux path for the internal and external flux and the magnet will move way up it's BH curve. However the available external field will be very small.

Overall a longer rod magnet will have a higher open circuit available field than a shorter rod magnet.

BTW, non Neo magnets in starter motors can get VERY hot and over time loose strength due to non pinned domains rotating, absorbing energy and getting hot. Neo work much better as they generally are stiffer due to their much better pinning of the aligned atoms / domains. However magnet manufacturing quality can also effect how much of the domains are pinned and how much internal heat is generated as the magnets operating point on it's BH curve moves up and down.

Not all magnets are created equally and all magnets can be demagnetised if a strong enough reverse magnetic field is applied. They can also be remagnetised. Sometime magnets are shipped unmagnetised and magnetised on the job. So ALL magnets can experience domain rotation.

Magnets have a designed operational range and the max reverse field strength is also specified. Keep with-in the magnet's design specs, use a high quality magnet and it's field strength will not decline.

IronShell3d

[0c]

As I have already shown how a magnet's H field can be made to do work,

I'm a bit curious how a magnet's H field can do work. Seems to me the H field is an externally applied field, not something intrinsic to the magnet. Take one of your favorite neo magnets and set it in the center of a wooden table all by itself. Where's the H field? How can it do any work?

Here's an interesting presentation I stumbled on recently. Maybe someone here can learn something from it:

Magnetic Microstructure of Magnetic Materials
http://141.223.122.174/schaefer/