There is no Over Unity

[lostcauses10x]

LOL this one will be next.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090602112259.htm

Did I suddenly wake up in a new and enlightened universe, where people actually make sense?
Next you'll be telling us that it's impossible to extract energy from a system of permanent magnets moving around a closed loop, or something like that.

No worries, there's always gravity....
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(or buoyancy, or spiky electrical waveforms, or reticulated plasmonic persuasion...)

[Liberty]

Hi TK,

Yup the spinning electron has stored energy that was put there in the belly of our young sun a LONG TIME AGO.

And yes the Iron will change as it gives up some of it's stored energy and the 4 unpaired shell 3d electrons drop into lower and lower shells. However as long as they stay unpaired, the magnetic field will continue.

You could look at this process as momentum transfer from the electron to the load with the magnetic field being the transfer conduit.

There are no free lunches. Use the energy and you change the energy source. That is why I call it UED (Unconventional Energy Device) and not Over Unity, which is in effect, just not setting the square big enough to understand where the energy is coming from.

IronShell3d

Assuming that the above theory is true, we should notice a weakening magnetic field as energy is extracted from the magnet.  Is there any evidence of this after using magnets in attract for a while?  (Such as in a permanent magnet motor with a coil).  How long does a magnet in a motor last since energy is being used from the magnetic field almost continually to assist running the motor?

[IronShell3d]

Assuming that the above theory is true, we should notice a weakening magnetic field as energy is extracted from the magnet.  Is there any evidence of this after using magnets in attract for a while?  (Such as in a permanent magnet motor with a coil).  How long does a magnet in a motor last since energy is being used from the magnetic field almost continually to assist running the motor?

Hi Liberty,

Loading a magnet moves it's operating point up and down it's BH curve. In doing so energy is used as any BH curve movement causes Hysteresis losses. So any magnet used in a normal PM motor experiences BH curve operating point changes and Hysteresis losses. These Hysteresis losses generate heat in the magnet and may be enough to lift it's operational temperature above it's Curie point and cause the loss of it's Iron atom alignment and the loss of it's external magnetic field.

However the energy to drive the BH curve changes comes from an external energy source and not the magnet, so it's 4 unpaired shell 3d electrons do no work.

But if you let a piece of ferrite loose near a magnet, the two are attracted to each other and the H field of the magnet will need to expend energy to align the Iron atoms in the ferrite (drive it up it's BH curve). The aligning ferrite's Iron atoms will produce a external magnetic field which will result in mutual attraction between the magnet and the ferrite. As both move toward each other, kinetic energy is gained until they collide with each other and the kinetic energy is converted into heat.

So here again we have some of the 4 unpaired shell 3d electrons doing work and that work being converted into heat via both BH curve Hysteresis changes / losses in the magnet and in the ferrite and magnet collision.

IronShell3d

[newbie123]

The only part of that that I find objectionable is the part where you get the energy out of the orbiting electrons.

How can that happen without the electron's energy level -- its quantum orbital level -- decaying by a quantum, that is, a photon, of electromagnetic energy?

And how can the electron's level decay beyond the ground state, or go above the ionization energy, if iron is to remain iron?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacklight_Power

This isn't related to iron, but this company claims to have discovered a sub ground state of hydrogen (hydrino), which supposedly releases lots of energy .. But their theories aren't proven..  And I doubt their information is even public, or available for peer review... (which makes it bogus, until proven otherwise, imo)

[IronShell3d]

The only part of that that I find objectionable is the part where you get the energy out of the orbiting electrons.

How can that happen without the electron's energy level -- its quantum orbital level -- decaying by a quantum, that is, a photon, of electromagnetic energy?

And how can the electron's level decay beyond the ground state, or go above the ionization energy, if iron is to remain iron

Hi TK,

You think the fuel for a reactor stays as it was originally? No it changes as it gives off energy. So too will the Iron atom as it's 4 unpaired shell 3d electrons give off energy.

Oh and by the way, it is good to see you understand that the energy in those 4 unpaired shell 3d electrons originally came from the nuclear fusion furnace in the belly of our young sun before it went Nova and created the planets with all those unwanted Iron atoms. Before that the energy came from the Big Bang. Before that

IronShell3d