There is no Over Unity

[IronShell3d]

Hi Guys,

Energy is not power, which is the use of energy over time to do work.

The  unpaired 3d shell electrons in the Iron atom are like a superconducting electron flow. As they have no resistance, they don't need to do work to retain their orbit and thus their energy level stays constant. Magnetically align Iron atoms and their individual magnetic fields combine to become strong enough for us to detect them.

However work was expended in causing the electron movement in the first place. For the Iron atom it was born from lighter atoms in the belly of our young star before it went Nova, belched out the Iron and other elements and over time formed our planets.

For the superconducting magnet, it was the original power supply that caused the current / electrons to flow that generated the magnetic field.

Either way they are the same. Constant electron movement, in a no resistance environment and the creation of a magnetic field as a result of the electron movement.

As for there the original energy came from, there is only one energy source that we have been able to tap so far and that is the sun. Burning fossil fuel is burning stored solar energy. So too is a atomic reactor as the fuel was made in the sun, like the Iron a long time ago.

IronShell3d

[X00013]

Hi Guys,

Energy is not power, which is the use of energy over time to do work.

The  unpaired 3d shell electrons in the Iron atom are like a superconducting electron flow. As they have no resistance, they don't need to do work to retain their orbit and thus their energy level stays constant. Magnetically align Iron atoms and their individual magnetic fields combine to become strong enough for us to detect them.

However work was expended in causing the electron movement in the first place. For the Iron atom it was born from lighter atoms in the belly of our young star before it went Nova, belched out the Iron and other elements and over time formed our planets.

For the superconducting magnet, it was the original power supply that caused the current / electrons to flow that generated the magnetic field.

Either way they are the same. Constant electron movement, in a no resistance environment and the creation of a magnetic field as a result of the electron movement.

As for there the original energy came from, there is only one energy source that we have been able to tap so far and that is the sun. Burning fossil fuel is burning stored solar energy. So too is a atomic reactor as the fuel was made in the sun, like the Iron a long time ago.

IronShell3d

So what would be your suggestion to builders? Should we use round mags? How would you go about materializing your words?

[IronShell3d]

Hi X00013,

Trying to get power from a magnetic field is like trying to get power from a spring. It is not the real energy source, just the reflection.

A magnet generates an H field, which can be used to magnetise other magnets. One magnet can make unlimited more magnets. In the new magnets, the new magnetic field is not borrowed or transfered from the original magnet. Instead the new magnetic field is created from the aligned Iron atoms in the new magnet. What causes the Iron atom alignment in the new magnet is the H field in the original magnet.

Now doing this does need energy as the original magnet must do work to cause the non aligned Iron atoms in the non magnetised material to be aligned.

Here is one thought experiment of how you can tap the energy source that creates the magnetic field.

So ok now you have done the above and created millions of new magnets from the original. Insert each into the centre of a coil, connect up the coil to a electrical load and heat the million magnets above their Curie point using a solar concentrator. As the magnetic fields in the million magnets decays, you will get power transfered into the load. That power came from the zillions of 4 unpaired shell 3d electrons in original magnet which originally came from the sun as the Iron atoms were created.

Probably a lot easier to bypass the middle man, the magnet which did some solar energy storage, and get the power directly from the sun.

IronShell3d

[TinselKoala]

Did I suddenly wake up in a new and enlightened universe, where people actually make sense?
Next you'll be telling us that it's impossible to extract energy from a system of permanent magnets moving around a closed loop, or something like that.

No worries, there's always gravity....
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(or buoyancy, or spiky electrical waveforms, or reticulated plasmonic persuasion...)

[newbie123]

Hi X00013,

Trying to get power from a magnetic field is like trying to get power from a spring.

I agree.

A magnet generates an H field, which can be used to magnetise other magnets.
One magnet can make unlimited more magnets.

Only with lots of energy input.

In the new magnets, the new magnetic field is not borrowed or transfered from the original magnet.

Yep.

Here is one thought experiment of how you can tap the energy source that creates the magnetic field.

So ok now you have done the above and created millions of new magnets from the original. Insert each into the centre of a coil, connect up the coil to a electrical load and heat the million magnets above their Curie point using a solar concentrator. As the magnetic fields in the million magnets decays, you will get power transfered into the load.

Eh?