Spraying Water Mist on Cigarette Lighter causes Flame to Increase in Size

[L505]

Being a non-smoker, I decided to buy some cigarette lighters.

I also bought a spray bottle.

When I spray water mist above a lighter, the flame increases in size.

If the spray is directed right on to the flame, the flame goes out (as expected).

However if the spray is directed slightly above the flame, but some of the mist still colliding into the top portion of the flame - the flame seems to develop an additional flame shell of orange brightness above the original flame.

Explanations?

This forum post may not directly have anything to do with electrolysis - but indirectly it may, and it does fit into Meyer's water mist injection system.

Now I will try the flame above the mist instead of below it.. (in case this has something to do with how clouds produce lightning with some charges at the top being different than the bottom). The only problem is gravity makes it hard to hold a flame upside down.. ughh.  Well I tried it and cannot achieve the results at the top of the water mist - but I do not know if this is because no water mist is really contacting the flame enough, or what.

Does the extra orange flame enhancement come from oxygen that the water has in it which fish drink? I do not think there is much oxygen in water but then again.. I do not know and hence why this post is here.  Does the extra orange flame enhancement come from some electrons sitting in the cloud of mist? I do not know.  Does it come from energy that water gives off to rejoin into a liquid, like how rain forms from gas? I do not know, hence why this post is here. Does the water attract more oxygen from the air somehow, causing the flame to increase in size? I doubt it but do not know.

[hansvonlieven]

I should imagine something is happening here that is very similar to "Watergas generation" that was part of coal gas generation. This technology was around until the late 1950's and then was phased out.

In coal gas generation coal is burned with a limited supply of oxygen. The coal surrounding the burning parts has not enough oxygen to burn and will give off a gas that is combustible.

This gas was piped into homes. It is actually a fairly low quality gas as far as calorific value is concerned.

Then they found out something interesting. If they sprayed water into the glowing coals the red hot carbon would rip the oxygen out of the water leaving the hydrogen unburned in the resulting gas, increasing its calorific value.

This process can be carried out indefinitely as long as there is glowing coal. Obviously there is a limit to how much water you can add before you douse the flames, also the process is not free, as coal is consumed.

Hope this helps

Hans von Lieven

Edit: The process is environmentally undesirable, one of the reasons it was phased out, as the by product is Pyroligneous acid. Though useful, it is extremely polluting. It used to be discharged into rivers and streams, seeped into the groundwater and apart from the black toxic sludge it smells terrible.

[wojwrobel]

water mist +high temp = fuel

check this patents 4009006

chers from poland
wojsciech

[hansvonlieven]

water mist +high temp = fuel

check this patents 4009006

chers from poland
wojsciech

I know, but in a cigarette lighter??

Hans von Lieven

[wojwrobel]

well

if you studdy the patent 4009006 you will see that it has many copper "mesh" heated and the water mist goes thru thouse mesh and its getting converted it to steam then to particles , i dont know what reaction goes over there with the copper? but as a patent ownes says it can easli fuel a 6 cylinder engine so its worth a try !!!!!!

so the cigarete lighter acts like a one of the screens "mesh"...

cheers from poland
wojsciech