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Claimed OU circuit of Rosemary Ainslie

Started by TinselKoala, June 16, 2009, 09:52:52 PM

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qiman

Quote from: TinselKoala on July 22, 2009, 12:51:41 AM
Do you see the value of that resistor? I make it 2.1 or 2.7 kiloOhms.

Just looking backwards in this thread, 2.1 or 2.7k ohm? brown brown red gold is 2.1 or 2.7k? Make sure your battery is FULLY charged. :)

qiman

p.s. I have never seen the mosfet get that hot and melting solder is a sign of a flawed circuit. TK, use one that works, like mine.

Mine ran about 48 hours and no melting solder - it was very cool to the touch and the input battery gained voltage above resting voltage.

The 555 works just fine and if you scope the shunt in the "false triggering" mode you will see that the battery is chopped perfectly fine at high frequency.

Ramset claims the picture won't post that addresses your claims, so I'll post the link.

Everyone, please look at this pic:
http://www.feelthevibe.com/free_energy/rosemary_ainslie/selfoscillatingmosfet.jpg

Make sure to zoom in.

When in the false triggering mode, TK claims the mosfet is turned off before fully turning on so the battery voltage climbs because there is no conduction since the mosfet never really turned on.

It does turn on during that "false triggering" mode as the mosfet is actually in self oscillation and scoping the shunt, as any real scientist would know to do secondary validations, will see the triangle wave from the battery being delivered at high frequency as well as a negative spike meaning the battery is being recharged from the inductive collapse of the inductive resistor.

Here is the post that Ramset refuses to make: (note: interesting how any of my legitimate points don't make it here by Ramset - proxy servers are trackable) but I'll play the game anyway TK.

TK, don't take the below personally, I posted that at my forum but "ramset" wink wink doesn't want to post the whole thing here so I did.

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scope the shunt during "false triggering"
Quote:
Originally Posted by RAMSET View Post
Aaron, Steve ,All, please comment
"555 timer circuit that is wrong anyway."

"Poor sloppy construction layout."

I'm very happy in my ability to not have excuses to
make things work without all the perfect parts or tools
to make things look nice and if I can do it with scotch tape
and bubble gum and get results, I will.

His good humor towards me is embraced with open arms.
I laugh at myself all the time for the goofy looking circuit
that I make even if they do work, they still look goofy.

There is nothing wrong with his replication. It works just fine.
However, with a 10 ohm shunt, not much heat will happen
obviously. He needs a 0.25 ohm shunt or lower.

I already said in this thread where my probe is. The ground of the probe at the negative of the resistor and the probe at the top where the diode cathode goes back to. I'm seeing what is really there.

Anyway, it appears his resistor is an inductive resistor...typical wire wound power resistor in the white rectangle ceramic case. Does that make a difference? I don't know if it matters, but just commenting. How many professionals use inductive resistors for shunts? Is that what TK is using? I don't know but I thought I'd ask.

False triggering? Here are references relating to mosfets and other components. False triggering goes hand in hand with self-oscillation and this is a very well-known phenomena. EVERYONE, please do a little search on it:
keywords: "false triggering" "self oscillation" mosfet, etc... You will see across the industry, that many devices in high frequency self oscillation IS false triggering. ANY SIGNAL that is is at a high enough level can "false trigger" a gate. UNLESS, it has "false triggering" safeguards built in and many devices are immune to false triggering.

Google Search: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22false+triggering%22+%22self+oscillation%22+mosfet

The FIRST AND SECOND in google. This thread must be an authority on the subject. I'll just post a few random references anyway, just to add some spice to the mix.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread/t-116975.html
diyAudio Forums Archive - optocoupling power stage - hiss with 6N137
"False triggering only happens during transients and may create a self oscillating system (this has happened to me)."
(false triggering goes hand in hand with the real oscillation)

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/login.jsp?url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fiel5%2F7298%2F4358683%2F04459070.pdf%3Farnumber%3D4459070&authDecision=-203
IEEE Xplore - Login
"Simulation results show that this clamp is immune to false triggering and power supply noise. Furthermore, the stability problem in clamps is addressed, and the new clamp is shown to be immune to oscillation."
(false triggering goes hand in hand with the real oscillation)

http://www.hittite.com/content/docum...put_signal.pdf
"to prevent the self-oscillation and therefore the false triggering"
(false triggering goes hand in hand with the real oscillation)

I don't mind his smugness lol because in that video he REALLY almost sounds like he is being sincere. But here is where the money shot is...

WHILE IT IS IN THAT "FALSE TRIGGERING" MODE...

SHOW THE SCOPE SHOT OF A PROBE ACROSS THE SHUNT RESISTOR - BUT USE A REAL SHUNT AND NOT AN INDUCTIVE ONE IF THAT IS WHAT HE IS USING...AND THAT TELLS THE WHOLE STORY!

WHILE IT IS IN FALSE TRIGGERING MODE - TRUE AND HONEST TO GOD SELF-OSCILLATION, YOU WILL SEE THE BATTERY GIVING VOLTAGE PULSATIONS AT HIGH FREQUENCY. IT IS PROOF THAT THE MOSFET IS CHOPPING THE BATTERY AT THOSE HIGH FREQUENCIES.

You will see the slanted rise (that means on), the straight fall (that means off) and the negative spike (that means the battery gets recharged from the diode).

I have no idea of TK's real credentials since he is anonymous but I'd appreciate it if my own "credentials" are not questioned while I actually show results.

The battery is getting a charge, which negates the credentials of anyone in this thread that says otherwise. At least, those credentials are proven to be irrelevant to this circuit. I'm sure they are well-trained and highly skilled in their own field but it is obvious non-equilibrium circuits are not it.

I believe everyone on this forum, the members at ou.com and especially Rosemary Ainslie deserves a serious public apology for wasting all our time with this foolishness.

Calling these debunking attempts and false accusations of what my scope is showing and the work that I do as something other than what I am saying it is...that isn't science and calling that stuff science borders on blasphemy. TK has embarrassed himself far too long, please ask him to stop while he has some reputation with those that care about him.

Those are my comments.
__________________
With Gratitude, Aaron

poynt99

Aaron,

I think the whole "false triggering" issue is with regards to the oscilloscope, NOT the gate of the MOSFET as you seem to be indicating in your posts.

When an oscilloscope loses "trigger", or does not have the "trigger" control set to a good point for that particular wave form, the display on the scope will look very much like what you saw in your video (blurred, scrolling etc.).

Also, it is quite common to have a good solid display on the scope, and if the amplitude of the wave form decreases for some reason (such as yours does at a few points), that too can cause the scope to lose trigger and display a blur of scrolling wave forms. This can be interpreted by those not so aware as a jump to a much higher frequency, when in fact it is only the scope losing trigger. Next time you see the display do that, try tweaking your trigger control and see if you can "bring the wave form back" to the way it was displayed before. You might be surprised.

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Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 22, 2009, 06:17:14 AM
Making false assertions against someone while attempting to lower their profile to make your own appear high is readily apparent to most people on a forum of this intellectual level.

Dragging a wagon of porcine excrement around behind you without wheels, with a good wind breeze behind you, makes you look bad a smell even worse.

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