Claimed OU circuit of Rosemary Ainslie

[MileHigh]

To Glen and other replicators:

The strange thing for me is the 10 ohm wire wound resistor and its ambient cooling ..... this is a large device 7.657 sq.in. of surface area always cooler by 1 degree F minimum for three hours with a slowly increasing ambient temperature keeping the same ratio. The nay sayers say ..... "you don't get something for nothing" ..... well I'm the .01 Volt Loss  auditor ( hehehe ) and what did this cooling cost me "nothing" or "something"??

Now that you are set up may I suggest that you focus on the real task at hand.  What you want to try to do is measure your electrical power delivered to the circuit and compare that to the thermal power given off by the inductive load resistor.  The object of the experiment is to see if the thermal power given off by the load resistor is 17 times greater than the electrical power supplied by the battery or the power supply.  I am going to sound a bit harsh, but voltage drops on the battery over time are absolutely meaningless with respect to this experiment.  The "cooling effect" is another waste of time that has nothing to do with this experiment.  I realize that you are just getting the feel for the setup and all that.  Once that is done then you can move forward with the real task at hand.

There is a risk that the replicators will fall into the "Bedini trap" where Bedini replicators build Bedini motors and look at source and charging battery start and end voltages.  That's it, that's all they do.  They never do any real analysis and it all becomes meaningless.  I can sort of feel that starting to happen here.  If that's all that you want to do to have a bit of fun then more power to you.

On the other hand, if you really want to see if there is a COP of 17 for your setup, then at a certain point you need to male a list of steps to take to reach that goal.  Without a DSO you can still make a very accurate power consumption measurement by doing some tricks with resistors and capacitors.  .99 is working on that with Gotoluc right now.  The power dissipation measurement on the coil-resistor is trivial to do and just takes some time to do.

Myself and others would be happy to offer suggestions to help you reach your goal.  Personally I am only interested in the true electrical power in vs. thermal power out measurements.  If you are going to do battery rundown tests then good luck, but I can't see those tests giving you convincing data to demonstrate a COP of 17.

The challenge for everybody is to overcome the "fizzle out" factor and not loose focus.  In my opinion the past few weeks on both threads have been a mishmash and the project has only moved forward by a few baby steps.  I think that both the believers and the skeptics would agree with that statement.

For example a question to Glen:  If we assume that you are going to go the electrical power in vs. thermal power out route, how are you going to measure your electrical input power?  What would you say your electronics knowledge level is?  If you could develop a good methodology for doing that then you could also use the same technique elsewhere.

MileHigh

[fuzzytomcat]

To Glen and other replicators:

Now that you are set up may I suggest that you focus on the real task at hand.  What you want to try to do is measure your electrical power delivered to the circuit and compare that to the thermal power given off by the inductive load resistor.  The object of the experiment is to see if the thermal power given off by the load resistor is 17 times greater than the electrical power supplied by the battery or the power supply.  I am going to sound a bit harsh, but voltage drops on the battery over time are absolutely meaningless with respect to this experiment.  The "cooling effect" is another waste of time that has nothing to do with this experiment.  I realize that you are just getting the feel for the setup and all that.  Once that is done then you can move forward with the real task at hand.

There is a risk that the replicators will fall into the "Bedini trap" where Bedini replicators build Bedini motors and look at source and charging battery start and end voltages.  That's it, that's all they do.  They never do any real analysis and it all becomes meaningless.  I can sort of feel that starting to happen here.  If that's all that you want to do to have a bit of fun then more power to you.

On the other hand, if you really want to see if there is a COP of 17 for your setup, then at a certain point you need to male a list of steps to take to reach that goal.  Without a DSO you can still make a very accurate power consumption measurement by doing some tricks with resistors and capacitors.  .99 is working on that with Gotoluc right now.  The power dissipation measurement on the coil-resistor is trivial to do and just takes some time to do.

Myself and others would be happy to offer suggestions to help you reach your goal.  Personally I am only interested in the true electrical power in vs. thermal power out measurements.  If you are going to do battery rundown tests then good luck, but I can't see those tests giving you convincing data to demonstrate a COP of 17.

The challenge for everybody is to overcome the "fizzle out" factor and not loose focus.  In my opinion the past few weeks on both threads have been a mishmash and the project has only moved forward by a few baby steps.  I think that both the believers and the skeptics would agree with that statement.

For example a question to Glen:  If we assume that you are going to go the electrical power in vs. thermal power out route, how are you going to measure your electrical input power?  What would you say your electronics knowledge level is?  If you could develop a good methodology for doing that then you could also use the same technique elsewhere.

MileHigh

Hi MH,

The task for me at hand is two circuits the first being the original "Rosemary Anislie COP>17 Heater Circuit" Revised : August 12, 2009 and second the "Ainslie - Murakami Negative Dominate Waveform Generator Circuit" amongst the other projects of mine. The "Ainslie - Murakami Negative Dominate Waveform Generator Circuit" is what the build is set up now and I will be trying just a few more times   using a wet cell lead acid battery instead of the gel cell lead acid type and maybe some other items ....but I'm fairly convinced that my Tektronix 2445A 150MHz scope just isn't fast enough to accurately make the fine adjustments required, the sampling rate just isn't high enough .... but well see.

The original "Rosemary Anislie COP>17 Heater Circuit" Revised : August 12, 2009 is the one I'm most interested in, and will be making my own 10 ohm wire wound resistor with the correct inductance of 8.64 micro Henries since no one else ( replicator ) has tried this specified size of resistor ....... I will have the correct parts the middle to late this week and had very good results with the 10 ohm resistor that I'm using now .... but well wait and see for those results.

I'm not really in a big hurry and would rather take my time and do it correct instead of making some small error by overlooking, misinterpiting or mismatching components that could very well make a difference in function and operation of the circuit, as you may already know these 17 or handful of components have had the best puzzled at times ... I for one love a good mystery ... the outcome as of now "unknown".

I did see some really cool "aperiodic oscillations" with the "Rosemary Anislie COP>17 Heater Circuit" though very impressive stuff.

Fuzzy

[Hoppy]

I have just watched Aarons latest video with his digital ammeter in circuit. I have also carried out this test and with careful adjustment of the pots can see a waveform on my scope with the meter reading zero. However, there is virtually no power being consumed by the circuit and the meter is not sensitive enough to see the very small current that is actually flowing. When I replace the digital ammeter with an analogue AVO meter set on the 50uA scale, I can see a 1uA deflection in the positive direction.

Aaron's digital ammeter test is only showing him that if he reduces the circuit current low enough, his meter fails to respond.

I now suggest that with Aaron's circuit tuned as he has it in the video, that he now connects a large cap across the battery and fully charge it and then disconnect the battery, leaving the cap in circuit. He can then watch the cap very slowly decrease in voltage.

Hoppy

[poynt99]

Hoppy,

It would appear that maybe a shunt voltage measurement is more reliable/obtainable using a DC volt meter. Have you tried this?

In Aaron's latest video he's adjusting the circuit down so low that only 500-700uV is reading on the scope. This in order to get an apparent net negative mean value. It would be interesting to understand why if it is indeed going net negative, but down at these levels there can be many factors causing this, and it may not even be "real".

Anyway, I think it's futile unless he can show the effect several magnitudes higher. He seems to have indicated he's moving on to heat measurements now. Not sure which heat he is referring to...in the original Ainslie circuit perhaps.

.99

[Hoppy]

Hoppy,

It would appear that maybe a shunt voltage measurement is more reliable/obtainable using a DC volt meter. Have you tried this?

In Aaron's latest video he's adjusting the circuit down so low that only 500-700uV is reading on the scope. This in order to get an apparent net negative mean value. It would be interesting to understand why if it is indeed going net negative, but down at these levels there can be many factors causing this, and it may not even be "real".

Anyway, I think it's futile unless he can show the effect several magnitudes higher. He seems to have indicated he's moving on to heat measurements now. Not sure which heat he is referring to...in the original Ainslie circuit perhaps.

.99

Yes, I have tried this and Aaron is simply testing the sensistivity limit of his meter. He is supposed to be convincing us that he is putting back more than he is taking out of his battery whilst powering a load, that is heating his resistor. I can assure him that this circuit cannot do this and he will prove this to himself when he fully understands his observations.

Hoppy