Claimed OU circuit of Rosemary Ainslie

[the_big_m_in_ok]

For some reason Ou.com doesn't allow deletions.  So strange.  Sorry Stefan.  This one was submitted in error.

True, witsend.  The spellchecker doesn't check the spelling of posted title bars, either.  Only the main text.  It's likely in how the software is written.

--Lee

[MileHigh]

Hey Four-Twenties-Ten-Nine,

Seems someone pushed a "report abuse" button on you or something at the EF.  AaronBot sent you a message.  Watch out for the windup fanny whacker!  lol

Because he doesn't understand source impedance of a regulated voltage source.

It's a "control system" with a servo feedback mechanism that effectively gives you zero output impedance until you ask it for too much.  Indeed the Spice voltage source is a zero output impedance voltage source.  I seem to recall you adding a little output resistor once to simulate a battery in one of your Spice simulations.

An ideal current source has an infinite output impedance.  I wonder if some of the big thinkers can wrap their heads around that one.

I have no waveforms to suggest to you.  I trust that you know what you are doing, and you really seem to know your instrumentation.

In Harvey's simulation that looked "negative dominant" he never plotted any power integration curves to try to get a handle on the alleged negative dominance.

All of this oscillation mode stuff is based on the flimsy and incorrect argument that oscillation is the "secret sauce" with nothing to back it up.  Exactly the same thing applies to the resonance argument.  Nobody challenge Aaron on that one because you will get your ass booted off the forum because he can't answer the question himself!  lol

Let's hope that Tektronix still doesn't have a customer lined up for the DSO and Aaron can continue using it.  The old clock on the wall is ticking.  We might get results in five weeks!

Rosemary:

"Coriolis effect" and other elements of that interferometer discussion, I wanna hurl!  lol  I wonder what percentage of the people in the discussion even know how "classical" vanilla gravity works.  Just gravity, forget about zipons and unified field theories and gravity waves.  How many posters really know how basic gravity works?  (Apparently not the people working on gravity wheels!  lol)

If you dig an imaginary tunnel that goes right to the center of the Earth, and then take an elevator ride down to the center, what happens with respect to gravity?  (I bet you my BFF Aaron would not have a clue.  Are you up to the challenge bud?  It's raining ether particles pushing down on us dude that are fighting against the mass displacing the ether particles dude, I saw it on TV so it must be true!  Two stationary 1Kg masses one meter apart in empty interstellar space, what's happens there dude?)

All experimenters working with "cold electricity":

I have to burst your bubble, there is no such thing as cold electricity.

This is just a "fun bad" as I wait for results.  And curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git!  lol  (no singing)

MileHigh

[poynt99]

Hi MH.

Yes a control system. Some sophisticated (integrated types) and some not so sophisticated (zener with emitter-follower). But they all have "essentially" a fixed output impedance. The controlling mechanism is voltage (which becomes a current after it's passed through the internal resistance), not impedance (the impedance is fixed). I know Harv will argue this, but with a fixed finite output resistance, to get more current, the feedback mechanism ups the Base voltage on the series-pass transistor, to compensate for the voltage drop.

Anyway, it's a moot point because he is arguing a totally different issue with the SPICE sources. They are ideal and have zero output resistance for the voltage source, and as you said, infinite output resistance for the current source.

In Harv's simulation, he did not do an integral of the current as I did when I showed 86% returned to the battery. I am certain that if he did, it would show less than 100% also.

Harvey suggested a wave form to try with the MEAN meter, but I was not wanting to build a whole slew of 555's etc. I wanted something relatively easy to set up on a few generators. Also, not only is the Ainslie oscillation most likely NOT aperiodic, but it is far less complex than what Harv is suggesting. Moreover, my tests with FM square waves seems to pose little challenge for the meter, and I highly doubt 9 555's all creating this random pulse output will either. Why not just run some white noise into a comparator if you want random jitter? Perhaps he had something in mind with all the harmonics, but most likely he won't say anyway.

Well, we'll see how I make out with this wave form I have in mind I hope to have Aaron's wave form duplicated, or close to it tonight. Then I'll post a video.

Cheers,
.99

[Rosemary Ainslie]

Hello MileVeryVeryHigh

Back - with a vengeance?  I see - when you reach those upper limits - you don't grow wings - you grow teeth.  But they're getting blunt MH.  You'll need to file them.

I'll pass on the gravity quiz thing.  It's too elementary.  And as for digging imaginary tunnels - who would know better than you what goes on down there?

And cold electricity?  I agree.  There's no such thing.  But nor is there hot electricity.  There's just electricity.  It's a subject that has confused mainstream for a really long time.  Look up your explanation of this in wiki and still tell me that you can keep your dinner down.

But - I do see why you should extend your quarrel to Sir Walter Raleigh.  Way too much enterprise - and courage.   

Anyway.  I'll try to make allowances.  A mile is still a limited distance and you can barely go that far.   

[Rosemary Ainslie]

True, witsend.  The spellchecker doesn't check the spelling of posted title bars, either.  Only the main text.  It's likely in how the software is written.

--Lee

Hello to you too Lee.  See if you can get Stefan to add more emoticons and allow signatures.  That would make this site nearly perfect.  Just a little more control over the trolls and it would be perfect.  I've added my vote to this but my applications are ignored.