GRAVITY mAGNET MOTOR DEVICE

[magnetman12003]

Here is another wild idea of mine that may have possiblitys if made right.  Its so simple it might actually work.

A single powerfull rod magnet sliding inside of a balanced pivoting tube allows the magnet to be gravity dropped on one side or the other like a kids see-saw.
You hand start this device by quickly pushing down on any side of the balanced tube. The magnet inside shifts and falls towards any wheel that has the same repelling magnetic forces.

The wheels then repel rotate only one way because the one way clutch bearing on their axles prevents the wheels from rotating the other way. The beauty of this is no timing adjustments are needed at all.

In the meantime the tube magnet is also repelled back through the tube past the tubes pivot point. It gravity drops down on the other side where its hit by the repel forces of other wheel.

Motion is now self sustained from one wheel to the other.

Both magnet wheels should rotate faster and faster.

Will it or wont it work and if not why?  I am open for all comments on it.

[onthecuttingedge2005]

Hi Mag.

It is a very nice idea but it is very difficult to fool Mother Nature if not impossible by current standards and practices, you will only know if you build it and see if it finds it's center of gravity and comes to a stop.

From my Physics teachings, 'Forces' only store energy that was given to the force to do work. and there are also other things that were taught in the Physics class like the magic hand which creates an illusion of something working but stops when actually it was the magic hand that gave it stored energy to function until that stored energy is depleted.

Years ago. but have fun anyways.
Jerry

[DMBoss]

Here is another wild idea of mine that may have possiblitys if made right.  Its so simple it might actually work.

A single powerfull rod magnet sliding inside of a balanced pivoting tube allows the magnet to be gravity dropped on one side or the other like a kids see-saw.
You hand start this device by quickly pushing down on any side of the balanced tube. The magnet inside shifts and falls towards any wheel that has the same repelling magnetic forces.

The wheels then repel rotate only one way because the one way clutch bearing on their axles prevents the wheels from rotating the other way. The beauty of this is no timing adjustments are needed at all.

In the meantime the tube magnet is also repelled back through the tube past the tubes pivot point. It gravity drops down on the other side where its hit by the repel forces of other wheel.

Motion is now self sustained from one wheel to the other.

Both magnet wheels should rotate faster and faster.

Will it or wont it work and if not why?  I am open for all comments on it.

magnetman:

I tried to send a reply, but my attachment was too large, so I guess the post never got through.

Your idea is similar to an actual patent claiming self running magnetically actuated gravity over balance wheel, by "Imris".

See the shortened patent attached. (it is in German and while I have a machine translation, I can't find it now).  Nevertheless, you can get the idea from the images.

Imris takes advantage of the fact that if you have two repelling magnets and put them between steel plates, the steel "shunts" the magnet flux sideways, and lessens the repulsion force between the two magnets.

Hence he has 1/2 of the wheel shunted via steel plates and this makes his mass shifting via repelling magnets for a gravity over balance wheel.

Your idea, first off needs repulsion only, unlike the errors in your sketch, and no it cannot work with one way bearings or clutches, you must insure the two rotors stay in "register", which means you have to use gears.  (othewise in between magnets on a rotor is the opposite polarity and one rotor will simply seek out this attract zone and the two will get out of phase and lock up)

So you've got gear friction penalty to contend with right off the bat.

And you will have magnetic drag too.  As the magnets on each wheel approach each other below center or register, they are indeed going to push each other inwards on the respective wheels.  But this also makes a serious magnetic drag torque too!

And then as they rotate past register or centerline, they are farther apart from each other, so do not make as much boost torque on exiting the registration zone where each wheel's magnet pushes the other one inwards on that wheel!

And finally the gravity torque is absolutely miniscule in your concenpt.

I have been working on O/U systems for a decade, in a professional capacity.  With fully functional 3D simulation of magnetics and dynamic motion, and design, CNC fabrication, testing, etc.

I slapped together a 3D simulation of the dynamics and magnets of your idea, and it has no hope of working.  The net or average gravity torque is less than 10 milliwatts at a reasonable shaft speed, and friction can be expected to be in the 300 to 500 mw range based on 8" diameter rotors and appropriate gearing and the slider frictions etc.

Accurate mass, inertia and gravity effects are accounted for.

See attached summary before I aborted this simulation. (as it is very tedious to do composite magnetic and dynamic sims - if it is not worth continuing when you find a killer factor)

Your concept only shoves the magnets inboard of the wheels for about 30-40 degrees of rotation - while Imris' idea has them shoved inwards for 180 degrees.  Even his suffers from small net torque, unless you use massive magnets and extra mass tied to those magnets.

I would not pursue this in a real bench test.  But Imris' idea has some potential, HOWEVER - tuning it all to get into the right ballpark, is going to be a nightmare and cost a lot of time and $$$.

DMBoss

[DMBoss]

magnetman:

I tried to send a reply, but my attachment was too large, so I guess the post never got through.

Your idea is similar to an actual patent claiming self running magnetically actuated gravity over balance wheel, by "Imris".

See the shortened patent attached. (it is in German and while I have a machine translation, I can't find it now).  Nevertheless, you can get the idea from the images.

This system leaves something to be desired.  It says you can attach multiple files, but then it only grabs the last one you attach!

here, attached is a PDF of the Imris magnetic/gravity patent images:

DMBoss

[magnetman12003]

Hey All,

Check this out on U tube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XqWvE_CpU4&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpeswiki%2Ecom%2Findex%2Ephp%2FOS%3AMagnet%5FMotor%5Fby%5FFM%5FConcepts&feature=player_embedded

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