GRAVITY mAGNET MOTOR DEVICE

[Low-Q]

Hi, Been there and done that.

In short the runner magnet "MUST" have a straight "LEVEL" surface to roll on.

The rolling surface can be inclined but MUST br level. No sags, bumps, twists.

Placing the runner between two rollers does not work. (sags-bumps)

Always remember that the "ENTIRE" runner magnet is drawn to the stator magnet.  Not just the top or bottom of it.  The reason for its roll is the friction on the bottom of the magnet v/s no friction on the top of the runner. 

Runner spocket fingers inside the roller chain insure bottom friction area and at the same time provide the means for power transfer to an axle point.

A floating, spinning, runner magnet has no stationary power pick off point.

A grease covered inclined wood plank with a runner magnet on it is useless.

A complete explanation is in the other forum I provided a link to.

Tom

Wouldn't it be hard to find a perfect place for the runner? I mean, either the runner jumps into the permanentmagnet, or it will roll back towards gravity. Finding that perfect balance is impossible - One infinite small error and the runner will go in one or another direction... Maybe I don't get it, but I cannot see how friction difference on top and the bottom of a wheel affects only one part of the wheel - at the bottom! The entire runner is a part of a solid physical thing. Everything yo do with it, the rest of that thing will respond accordingly, so friction will be applied on the WHOLE runner, not partially. Hmmm... I guess you have to make a big clear, and nice drawing with explanations.

Keeping Alzheimers away is an absolutely good excuse to perform this hobby. The drawback with being an inventor/engineer/professor etc, is that you at a sertain point in your life will go nuts. I'm not sure what is best - Going nuts, or getting Alzheimers...

My late father's male cousin (We just called him Uncle Roar), died from Alzheimers. We started to believe he had the condition when he now and then repeated storys, messages, forgot his wallet or keys (every well person does that - but not him). When he dropped the dinner plate into the floor, and just sat there and did not understand why it was so messy on the floor... bad thing this Alzheimers, and very bad for the family with new generations growing up. At the end he did not recognize his family, could not speak, did business in his pants. This was a very hard period for his family. RIP!

lets hope you get it working before year 12003, as I probably will be dead by then (by age, hopefully not from Alzheimers )

Vidar

[Low-Q]

I did take another look at the picture. I can see that the chain is level/horizontal at the left side of the runner. As the runner wants to go to the right, this left part is getting steeper so the runner will meet more uphill. So the runner WILL find its rest somewhere in that area.
The question I ask myself then: Does the runner wants to climb further than the balanced point between gravity and magnetism? Will it start to roll clockwise?
If the runner is basicly being balanced within a space of 1mm, maybe less, it would in fact not be any differenc in fixing the runner in that place, and remove the chain.
Will it then start to roll? Now it is suddely quite obvious that this machine can't work. Just by thinking differently.

Hmmmmm.... vidar

[magnetman12003]

Remember that the ever slipping downwards chain is the "GREASE" in this application.

[tournamentdan]

I think you are missing something here. The runner will not spin. If the magnet inside the runner is fixed so it will not move the stator magnet will pull the runner up hill along with the bottom chain but the runner will not roll because of the attraction will not allow it to spin, and when it gets to the top it will jam. If you put a magnet loose inside the runner, the runner will roll but it will not have any push or pull on the chain. It will act like a train riding on the tracks.  So again if the runner magnet is fixed it would be like gluing the runner to a link in the chain and pulling it to the top. If the runner mag is loose, it would be like shifting your car in neutral and pulling on a rope attached to the front bumper.

[magnetman12003]

I thought I covered this in the other forum.

The round runner magnet is attracted to the stator magnet from any point on a "FLAT SURFACE" of the inclined non magnetic chain. This statment is true.

If a one way clutch bearing was "NOT" on the chain sprockets axle "BOTH" the runner magnet AND the chain WILL travel up the incline towards the Stator magnet and then a jam would occur.  This statement is true.

But now we have a condition where the roller chain itself can not move up the track at all. Only down the track freely.  The runner magnet has its spokes deep inside the chain and that is a huge friction point.

However the top side of the runner (no friction) is free to turn/roll/ attract upwards towards the stator -- and it will try to do so.

But by doing that it pushes the roller chain under it downwards in the direction the chain is free to turn in. 

The weight of a heavy runner magnet and a roller chain that constantly slips downward under it are the "GO DOWNHILL" forces that come into play as soon as the runner trys to move uphill.

The end result should be the runner magnet spinning in one position.  I am close to finding that out   

The speed of the runner would depend on how close to the stator it was placed on the inclined plane.