Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

[stivep]

Wesley,
Nice vid 200 watts out.

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DETAILS PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS Well done

Here is the tough one.
Results are expected


Results might  wait to be delivered in easy to absorb form
There is number of factors related.
-concerns about recent happenings... messages received, say warnings,approaches absolutely unexpected, and unwanted,Do not want to go to details.When it increases than I will go loud very loud and if that not would be me any longer than someone will..I'm not afraid.Data is being collected, saved and distributed on daily basis. 



lets deliver it  different way.


Preliminary ( at maximum brightens)


expanation of used terminology:
apparatus-  caduceus based device with all components
resistive load - (light bulb)
fundamental - frequency of primary oscillation
sinus - shape of signal
bandwidth of active sweep - is active region of frequency sweep at which  results of interaction between power delivered and power dissipated have been visible as significant change.
effective energy dissipated - is energy consumed
impedance mismatch- is difference between impedance of input and impedance of output
that causes  energy reflected back to port 1
port 1 - point#11 at schematic diagram.
port#2 - light bulb connection
network- is the set of devices under analysis representing   properties of analysis.
our network is set that starts from port 1 and ends at port 2.
reversed attenuator - is  an apparatus that is relative to amplifier but of highly non linear nature

harmonic frequency-
A harmonic frequency is a multiple of a fundamental frequency.
example:
A fundamental frequency of 500Hz has a first harmonic frequency of 1000Hz, double the fundamental frequency. Its second harmonic is 1500Hz, the third harmonic is 2000Hz and so on. A musical instrument produces both fundamental and harmonic frequencies, which allows the human ear to discern the differences between instruments even if they are playing the same note.
SWR-Standing Wave Ratio
can we have SWR=1
yes we can be close to that.
 
can we have and S12=S21?
read this


Properties of lossless networks.For a network to be lossless, all of the power (or energy) that is incident at any one port has to be accounted for by summing the power output at the other ports with the power reflected at the incident port. None of the power is converted to heat or radiated within a lossless network. Note that an active device is not in the same category as a lossless part, since power is added to the network through its bias connections.
Within the S-parameter matrix of a lossless network, the sum of the squares of the magnitudes of any row must total unity (unity is a fancy way of saying "one"). If any of the rows' sum-of-the-squares is less than one, there is a lossy element within the network, or something is radiating.
Why are we looking at sum of the squares instead of sum of the elements themselves? Because the S matrix is express in terms of voltage, and as we said, we are accounting for power. Power is proportional to voltage squared[/i], get it?
Guess what? You can never make a lossless network. But you can come extremely close

In this point one might raise doubt that I have omitted amplification factor and a comparison  S21 to S12 is not reflecting and/or correlating with  factional experiment.
That might be good point but as we do not deal with traditional network that is assigned to particular group of network devices such as
-filters
-amplifiers
we may assume that we could compare the apparatus to  "reversed attenuator" of non linear nature.
Amplification factor of such apparatus should be taken to consideration strictly based on its performance at given  frequency within given spectrum. 


One might also find VNA analysis to be close to impossible with the presence of spark gaps.
Yes it is not easy ..but VNA analogy could be applied at any time.







HV delivered to  #11 of diagram.12.9 kV


generator power supply,set at max 30W


SWR  mismatch
Reversed power  28W (losses)


2W effective energy dissipated by the apparatus including resistive load (light bulb)  light bulbs in series
28W loss because of impedance mismatch.


Frequency bandwidth occupied  100 to 124 KHz
Limitation:
-at present time no ability to check how device react  below 100KHz due to limitation of HV driving circuitry.
- Suspected that investigation was provided  at  third harmonic frequency up, not primary resonance frequency


1st=56000Hz
2nd=84000Hz
3rd=112000Hz


the fundamental  should be 28kHz


signal delivered to Abramienko fork sinus
the same situation as in Lithuania Experiment  at secondary of flyback we have had sinus  of even amplitude at 16.8KHz




Energy dissipation

 
Only fundamental frequency current can provide real power. Current delivered at harmonic frequencies doesn't deliver any real power to the load. When current of a single frequency is present in a system, you can use the measured values in Ohm's Law and power calculations
However, when currents of more than one frequency are present, direct addition of the current values leads to a summed value that doesn't correctly represent the total effect of the multiple currents. Instead, you need to add the currents in a manner known as the “root mean square” summation.


due to  spark gap implementation we assume that we dealing with nonlinear load.
nonlinear load is our apparatus including 2x100W  / 110V


in Lithuania experiment:
we have used generator that supplied the impulse  to the transformer at secondary of transformer we have had even sinus at frequency of 16.6KHz


at recent experiment lets call it NY Experiment
we have used frequency of 122kHz in within  bandwidth of active sweep   24KHz

explanation:
bandwidth of active sweep - is active region of frequency sweep at which  results of interaction between power delivered and power dissipated have been visible as significant change.




Means of tuning: Frequency change to max of lightness that may stay about tuning to minimum loss  of  ports 2-1 to 1-2 in Vector Network Analysis


At Smith chart applied to ADVANTEST R3754B VNA
that would be represented as correlation between input and output losses due to transition of the signal( energy)


example:SWR=1 to 1 =0 energy losses




when mismatch is present than returned signal  reversed power (equal to BEMF)
represent significant losses in  the network.
in this particular situation it is loss of 28W
if for instance  28W was at SWR 1 to 1 and P of S21= P of S12 than 28W would become dissipated energy + 2 W of real energy utilized by apparatus

If we  make assignment of ports: 1 and 2

S12 input versus output
S21 Output versus input
Purely Resistive load is our light bulb at the output
Load is than changing resistance and affecting overall impedance match of  the network,  upon  temperature to change.That creates need of frequency adjustment at
generator power supply .
Practically on video you can see me waiting a little while  tuning light bulb to maximum brightness
Delta T is causing delay  of the adjustment as it takes time for resistive component of light bulb to change its resistance  that means impedance of network between P1 and P2 has to be readjusted by frequency change of generator power supply.




   
As L and C of light bulb is minimal  we may state that impedance of load =resistance at the load point.
than the Inductive Reactance and Capacitive Reactance = 0 or close to zero, at any time.



At that point we are dealing with impedance match between
- energy supply generating device
and
- light bulb
only when considering network analysis


the only change might be taken to consideration is  frequency tuning at
generator power supply  to compensate resistance=impedance  change, affecting  overall resonance frequency of the load
That is if we look  from  generator power supply output delivering signal to #11  and  rest of apparatus.







When calculating real power utilized by device we are dealing with
-   generator power supply
and
-  receiving energy apparatus including light bulbs












Instead of stating data I give you little calculation example:
current is easy to find out.
make your math:
and no mf..r will be able to  take advantage of me.



Example: A transformer is required to supply a nonlinear load comprised of 200A of fundamental (60 Hz), 30A of 3rd harmonic, 48A of 5th harmonic and 79A of 7th harmonic. Find the required k factor rating of the transformer:
Total rms current, I = [square root of [([I.sub.1]).sup.2] + [([I.sub.3]).sup.2] + [([I.sub.5]).sup.2] + [([I.sub.7]).sup.2]]
Total rms current, I = [square root of [(200).sup.2] + [(30).sup.2] + [(48).sup.2] + [(79).sup.2]] = 222.4A
[I.sub.1] = 200 / 222.4 = 0.899
[I.sub.3] = 30 / 222.4 = 0.135
[I.sub.5] = 48 / 222.4 = 0.216
[I.sub.7] = 79 / 222.4 = 0.355
k = [(0.899).sup.2][(1).sup.2] + [(0.135).sup.2] [(3).sup.2] + [(0.216).sup.2]([5).sup.2] + [(0.355).sup.2][(7).sup.2] = 8.31
To address the harmonic loading in this example, you should specify a transformer capable of supplying a minimum of 222.4A with a k rating of 9. Of course, it would be best to consider possible load growth and adjust the minimum capacity accordingly.


Conclusions:
Take  (in watts)
1.effective energy dissipated
and
2.  resistive load energy consumption (manufacturer set parameters  100Wx2 at 110V   light bulbs in series
3.  calculated ratio is to be used  to find how much power will be present at  resistive load if 28W of power will not be lost due to SWR.
4.  add two values
-effective energy dissipated
and
-reversed power loss
5.use this  number  as total delivery without losses from generator power supply
6.take  result of calculation from point 3 and use it .
try to calculate
a. what was  a real gain at NY experiment
b. What would be real gain if  reversed power loss would not be present.
c. How much power than will be  at output  of apparatus in Watts




Wesley


PS do not forget that if I operate at 3 harmonic than we are not dealing with real power of fundamental frequency.

One more test provided that will be documented
Resistive load  ( light bulbs in series connected directly to power supply
- light was not present
-  spark is present if interrupted.

[Hope]

Chapter 1 Verse 1 of Hope
"What doesn't kill us, surely makes us more cautious". 

Wattsup,  this is just a couple links I ran across on surplus HV diodes.

Hope it is useful:

http://wiki.4hv.org/index.php/High_voltage_diode_-_50_kV,_30_A_peak

High Voltage Rectifiers

Anyone try their #2 SAAR group device using only the negative going pulses and if successful did you try piping the output through plastic tubes?

[ronotte]

IMPORTANT UPDATE on Caduceus/Pickup coil device
@stivep, all

thank so much Sir for the detailed tuning strategy you described us: very interesting indeed. I appreciate it as I'm an old ham (i0LY) so I understand well what you are trying to do with RF measurements.
To re assume you correctly are considering the device as a black box, a quadrupole with an input port and an output port. As long as you working in a mostly sinusoidal regime you also considering a max of 3 harmonics (the black box anyway is somehow 'non linear' due to sparkgaps and Caduceus) and actually you think that you are using mostly the 3rd harmonic (16.6KHz x 3=49.8KHz).

The strategy you are using is to find a system operating point where you can drive your load (2 lamps in series) with a minimum loss. You are trying to reach (on output port) near VSWR=1 that is incidentally a common aim in antenna tuning in order to minimize the reflected power due to stationary waves generation for impedance mismatch.
So, if I have well understood, your strategy is to reach the best power transfer to load by varying your TBC operating frequency that is anyway around the standard 16,6KHz hence considering the 'black-box' as a fixed asset.

As I have already said, in order to lessen the danger intrinsic with dealing with 9-16KV HV sin source, I'm gaining knowledge by following an alternate route: working with an easy and foolproof 1-1.3KV @ 3MHz sinusoidal  source. I'm taking fixed source's parameters (as I can vary the source's frequency...only a little) hence working in my present case in fundamental mode only. My strategy is to optimize all the other device's physical variables in order to maximize the output at said frequency f0=3MHz.
My input DC power is 9W and of course I've not enough power to lit a lamp on output port. On the other hand I can see very well & easy way what happens by changing the device's variables including the spark-gap units.

I started by tuning the black box by injecting a swept sin signal (1V) at the input pin #11 ( while HV source powered off) and tuning the caduceus cap and Ferrite rod position for max sinusoidal output. Said effort insures that black-box is well resonating to 3MHz.Then I reconnected the HV sin source (your pin #11) and monitored the D3 anode (on your version 2 schematic) in order to monitor the Trumpet wave.

After some ADJ the best signal seen (fig.: upper wave is 'Optimized trumpet wave', lower wave is my HV generator's output)  is a trumpet waveform having 1.5KVpp @ 3Mhz and trumpet's envelope repetition rate of 0.7msec for an input DC voltage (18V @0.75A) and C2 = 1nF. To obtain that big trumpet using only 1.3KV input make me understand that I've reached a good starting point. Ferrite rod POSITIONING IS FUNDAMENTAL as long as it dictates the kind of waveform you have on output (cup, inverted cup or mostly spikes).
While ADJ for the correct & max trumpet I've also noted that sometimes big packets of continuous 3MHz sin signal of 10-30msec of duration are intermixed with the trumpet's packets. These continuous packets are of BIGGER amplitude: in my case they are about 3KV peak to peak. I do not know why they are there and how they are generated...but certainly show  a good autoresonance condition and hence at least a good tuning!

By setting up for max trumpet amplitude and using: a 350V AC arrestor for SG#2 and 1nF for C4, the C4 itself is instantly charged up to 500V/discharged by SG2 at 0.5 -5msec rep rate giving on lamp only 200nsec pulses.

By tuning not for trumpet but for the higher spikes it is possible to charge C4 (1nF) up to 1KV or more. Changing C4 to 0.1uF/10KV and disconnecting the SG2, it takes about 0.5 second to reach +1KV.

Roberto

[stivep]

IMPORTANT UPDATE on Caduceus/Pickup coil device
@stivep, all

thank so much Sir for the detailed tuning strategy you described us: very interesting indeed. I appreciate it as I'm an old ham (i0LY) so I understand well what you are trying to do with RF measurements.
To re assume you correctly are considering the device as a black box, a quadrupole with an input port and an output port. As long as you working in a mostly sinusoidal regime you also considering a max of 3 harmonics (the black box anyway is somehow 'non linear' due to sparkgaps and Caduceus) and actually you think that you are using mostly the 3rd harmonic (16.6KHz x 3=49.8KHz).

The strategy you are using is to find a system operating point where you can drive your load (2 lamps in series) with a minimum loss. You are trying to reach (on output port) near VSWR=1 that is incidentally a common aim in antenna tuning in order to minimize the reflected power due to stationary waves generation for impedance mismatch.
So, if I have well understood, your strategy is to reach the best power transfer to load by varying your TBC operating frequency that is anyway around the standard 16,6KHz hence considering the 'black-box' as a fixed asset.


Roberto

MY FRIEND
old ham, I wish the best to you at your ,QRL,and QTH,
I hope your YL or XYL is not opposing your work
My XYL is even helping me out.
She is sweet.
We do not have harmonics, and we OK with it.
I'm probably to old for it.
Could not handle local QRM's.




As far as results I'm pretty sure that from QRP I have delivered to the device I'm getting big QRO and even bigger is on its way.
The VSWR is only the tuning problem .Proper impedance match will be required that's all.
No big deal.Also proper spectral investigation is required to get to fundamental frequency.
That might be in within the region of KW's I assume.
To get loud with QSL of success is to early.
I expect not me but other Ham's to go QRO . IT IS NOT ABOUT ME BUT ABOUT HUMANITY.
But if I will not be smart enough than someone will QRT me for good. That is not my biggest fear.
I do not care to much about it ,but I care about my very young XYL .
At the end nobody will remember Wesley, but world will be different.
So who care if I will be silent key, or ,I do not ... it is going to happened anyhow,sooner o later,
The enjoyment I have is now,is that what we all want in our life?
Some are using TX for wasted QSO's with day to day miserable effects.
Some others are carefully hunting for profitable one 
My profit of QSO with the world is profit of knowledge.
DO I want money
YES .....but.. everyone has to be able to have equal chance to reach for it based on the same concept if he/she only want it.
At the end
my OM.... there is nothing left apart of memory of your relatives about you...


I wish you 73


Wesley

PS:
As you have noticed
instead of going SSB or even AM to get everyone attention
I'm kind of CW for dedicated people to key up with me...
WHY? ??
"That will be a time for anything and everything at the same time
AM<FM< SSB< CW..... and no special RX or licensing will be required.
F... oil for good. That is my agenda.

[wattsup]

@ronotte

Thanks for your post. There is something I have to mention myself about frequencies.

So far with the HV applied to the CC there is nothing really special happening on the output coil. Adjusting the vertical position of the CC relative to the output coil or adjusting the inner ferrite rod relative to both the CC and the output coil, I cannot see any subtle changes at the spark gap frequency ranges (SGFR). That is to say the actual SGFR is a very narrow range going from 1Hz (with high enough amplitude) to about 20Hz after which there is a small range around 35kHz and then higher up I have not been able to generate a spark at SG1.

Applying a higher pulse frequency on the flyback primary is not possible because the flyback itself just cannot respond fast enough. I was hoping to pulse in the MHz range but this is doing absolutely nothing to the flyback.

The most puzzling thing abut all this is the following.

When is connect one of my frequency generators with a measly 16vdc at very few milli-amps directly to the CC and scope off of the output coil, now I can see exactly the effects of moving the CC and ferrite relative to the output coil. I can see the nuances in the waveform changing which is impossible to see when working under the SGFR. The real C effects are happening above 1MHz and closer around 6MHz. I should make a video of this to show you what I mean.

So this is telling me that in the TK patent where he is talking about frequency filtering or some other effect, the way I see it is that it is great to have a good working SGFR but it is useless to the CC since it is not then transformed to a higher frequency before it hits the CC. The CC is basically five times 1 metre long wires all in parallel so the actual resonant frequency of the CC will be extremely high range that is not possible with just working in the SGFR.

When I was looking to have direct control of the pulsing frequency applied to the flyback, it was to impart the same high frequency and HV to the CC. But this is not possible with the flyback as it just cannot respond to such high frequency pulses. So TK must have had the same problem.

This is where my one missing component to the WNYg devices comes in. The variable capacitor that goes across the CC. This is have not yet used since I have not found one yet to do the job. But my question is will the variable capacitor being across the CC increase the frequency of the HV. I wonder if @stivep has anything to say about the variable capacitor (VC).

In building the CC with moveable inner/outer coils and ferrite, I though this would do away with the need for the VC. But I am now inclined to think the VC is not only used to do some type of coil matching but also to increase the applied HV frequency. If the VC cannot increase the HV frequency, then what I believe is required is a direct testing method of the CC with a HV and variable HF signal but a signal that is much stronger then what I can generate with only my FG. BUT HOW. Both the HV and the HF are kind of at opposite parts of the universe of physical capabilities. How can you produce a good HV at HF? I think TK figured that out in one way or another to make his coil sing out, OUUUUUUUU, Ouuuuuuuuuuu, O O UUUUUUU.

@stivep

F... oil for good. That is my agenda.

At least you won't need any lubrication. lololololololol (Could not resist.)

Can you say anything about the variable capacitor. Are you using one in your set-up as I could not clearly see it in your last video?

@Hope

Thanks for the post but those components are not the ones I need. I have found HV diodes and caps on eBay from a company in China so I am considering ordering from them enough to do the work and have a few spares (lol). The only one I am still stuck on is the VC.

wattsup