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[Osiakosia]

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The only other information I would really need is physical measurements of the TBC110 flyback, core dimensions, thickness, etc, so the manufacturer can draw off the same or approximate core type.

wattsup

Here you can find measurements of  П110 chape core .

[leo48]

750 pages and still no one else is good reply

Leo48

[wattsup]

@T-1000

Thanks again for your kind responses. I know I can be a pain in the ass and I appreciate your time.

I have taken the day to look over past patents to see if I can find anything that has two HV coils wound in reverse and with one end each left open inside the coil as it is wound. I have found nothing on that to my dismay, but, also to my pleasure since this confirms this is new.

Being new is OK in itself, but the question is will it work? I don't think the HV coils in the TBC-110 flybacks from Russia or the modified from Lithuania have this open reverse HV coil. If they did, this would have been shown in the specs.

I also checked pages 90 to 94 on this web site.....
http://www.kolbasers.ru/agregat/215/90/index.shtml
and translated the text and nothing mentions the use of two HV coils .

I spoke yesterday to the manufacturer and they have never seen this and requested I make a drawing to show them the build directions so they can give me a price for a few samples. I am thinking of making up to 10 of them to start some experimenting with them. Lucky I have three companies because the manufacturer gets many private requests that they find very time wasting for them. At least with a company it makes it more serious for them.

But I agree this design is very interesting in terms of having this to test with. But I personally don't think this is the TBC-110LA as we know it today and as it exists on your workbench.

So this is the quandary I am having. Do we make this one, or the original, or both. Hmmmmmmm.

OK, we will see what the manufacturer says. I have made a diagram of the HV coil as per instructions the way I understand it. If there is anything wrong, please advise. I will also make a diagram for the secondary but not as detailed. They know how to wind standard secondaries and primaries as per normal specs.

My greatest concern is, will this flyback produce 25kv with a HV coil of only 600 turns. If it does, then this flyback will definitely be special because usually such high voltage flybacks have twice as many turns minimum. So we shall see and have some fun while we're at it. lol

I took the liberty of adding some OU @member names but I hope I did not vex anyone for leaving them out. If you have some @member names to add, please advise as well.

Now the biggest job will be to convince the manufacturer to give this a try and just as importantly to give me a break on the price to start this off. I think the novelty of the proposed HV coil may be just perfect to push them to make a few. lol

@Ronotte

Sorry for answering your post so late as well. Anyways I have done my best to understand @T-1000 specs for the HV. If you see anything please advise. I had the images you posted but they do not show the core measurements.

@Osiakosia

Thanks for the core dimensions. I added the inches as well and put it below.

From my initial talks with the manufacturer (Bob), he suggests using their core model UU60 which is big enough for the task. It is L=3" so seems to fall in very close to the shown dimensions.

@all

I tried to find a patent showing a dual HV coil wound inverse for a flyback transformer but found none. If anyone find one please post on this thread.

wattsup

[ronotte]

Hi wattsup,
thanks a lot for your effort. From an initial HV coil check, it seems following the TBC110nA directions. I see only few points:
1 - why leave the 'open' end of L12 and L13 inside the dielectric instead to take them out to a standard lug? Ok, not used by our implementation but it could be useful for next one...
2 - I assume that you are proposing to use the proposed wire sizes approach: in our specific case, if any possibility, I would propose a proportional step up in order to allow more current to flow.
3 - I think that you are asking for only the HV coil and not at all the primary coils composed by L9, L10, L11. Is that correct? If positive I understand that primaries are up to us.
Finally I'm a little worried about L11 because there is the way to obtain the increased performance up to > 20KV: it must be resonated with an external cap. I would propose eventually to have a pre coiled version of L11 coil as in table: pin7,8 = 435t @ 0.23mm, pin 8,9 = 186t @0.23mm
Roberto

[wattsup]

Hi wattsup,
thanks a lot for your effort. From an initial HV coil check, it seems following the TBC110nA directions. I see only few points:

1 - why leave the 'open' end of L12 and L13 inside the dielectric instead to take them out to a standard lug? Ok, not used by our implementation but it could be useful for next one...
2 - I assume that you are proposing to use the proposed wire sizes approach: in our specific case, if any possibility, I would propose a proportional step up in order to allow more current to flow.
3 - I think that you are asking for only the HV coil and not at all the primary coils composed by L9, L10, L11. Is that correct? If positive I understand that primaries are up to us.
Finally I'm a little worried about L11 because there is the way to obtain the increased performance up to > 20KV: it must be resonated with an external cap. I would propose eventually to have a pre coiled version of L11 coil as in table: pin7,8 = 435t @ 0.23mm, pin 8,9 = 186t @0.23mm
Roberto

@ronotte

Thanks for your comments.

1) Yes  I was thinking the same thing but then again, this would be a source of HV on those two wires that if just waiting on terminals will probably create sparking. The idea of HV coils is to make it in a way to eliminate any inter winding sparks so having those two wires coming out, even if not used would create potential points of spark. But again, yes, having those two outside would be good for more testing methods.

2) For the HV wire I would like to propose to use two sizes larger then the original TBC-110 since there will be far less winds and it would be more durable, but I will discuss this with the manufacturer and see if this adds to the complexity.

3) The drawing I just posted is just for the HV coil to show the hidden wires, and CW/CCW relations but I will give them full details for the primary/secondary coil as well as per the winds and wire AWG we already know about.

I will wait for any other comments until end of Saturday and prepare my final request format to the manufacturer on Sunday and hopefully this will be a reality soon enough.

I am also tempted to ask them to make the standard TBC-110 HV coil as well just in case.

The only real major problem with the HV coil design as proposed by @T-1000 is that if the 1/4 resonant calculation is done using Tesla method of wire length, then it seems to me that the 4 layers will never be 1/4 of the 16 layers since you will be using much more wire length in the 16 layers. It could be that 6-7 layers will be 1/4 the length of 16 layers and not 4 layers. So this is again a question that is unknown. Maybe the manufacturer can do a combination of turns and measure wire length when making the 4 layers, then just wind the second one with 4 times the wire length of the first wind.

Meanwhile, I am looking to order one of their standard HV flybacks that has only the Primary and HV because my flyback is making too much internal sparks now and I want something  to continue experimenting with. lol

wattsup