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Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

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frantz

Quote from: leo48 on September 16, 2012, 03:30:41 PM
Although there are many theories, we can not exclude the phenomena known
an electric field attracts or repels electrons instead having a magnetic field it is
possible to deflect one or more electrons only if they are in motion.

Leo48


Hi Leo48

I know, about theories but I want to find some compromise.
Why small magnetic field?  Because we have too large loss inside coils.
I think about some combination of this two phenomena.
Normal coil (s) but unipolar and HV via cap like pump of electrons for increase amount of current.
Weak Magnetic field move slowly electrons (50Hz) but electrostatic field pumping electrons faster (like manual pump to water) in kHz or MHz (AC). High frequ. is required because larger current is present only in first moment. I will try to draw some schme soon.




frantz

Quote from: jbignes5 on September 16, 2012, 03:33:54 PM

Well I think my way of using Tesla's patent of the motor/generator is such a way. Think about it for a second. We have thin wires around the field core. This is the high voltage component. The thicker wires are on the Rotor and wound on a iron rotor to boot. The thinner wires tend to work best with high voltages and the thicker wires work better with heavy current. Think of it like this: thin wires act like thin hoses. Thicker wires act like thicker hoses. If water is put into the hoses a smaller volume of water flows in the smaller hoses but in the thicker hoses a larger volume of water can move. The speed in the thinner wires is also faster as opposed to the thicker slower moving in the thicker wires. Also the force that comes out of the hoses is very different. The volume of the thinner wire although moving faster hit a target with less force then with the thicker wires volume. The thicker wires volume and subsequent force can be likened to current in this analogy. So the thinner wires current will not be equal to the thicker wires current. But this is as far of the analogy that I will go because it seems that the thinner field coils will still move the thicker wires agitated mass. This agitation can be seen as AC current with the energized voltage from the thinner wires electric field.


I will be trying to make a smaller version of the motor generator to see this effect and show it as a proof of concept.



HI again,
I do not deny in your point of view. I think, your understanding is very good.
I want just to explain myself how are working these phenomenas together.
:)
I look forward to your results.

One thing, I don't know what from you will get HV around 3- 15 kV? From ordinary transformer? We should to use some industrial transformer to this...
Hmmm and frequency 50 -60 Hz it is not so easy (max 400 Hz) for motor/generator for 3600rpm.

verpies

Quote from: itsu on September 16, 2012, 08:28:56 AM
L1 690t, 0.4mm, 3.3mH, 14.5 Ohm, selfresonant (so no cap) on 2.4Mhz   (magnet wire)
L2 380t, 0.6mm, 1.5mH,  0.5 Ohm, resonance with 600nF cap on 5.071Khz (magnet wire)
L3  41t, 75 Ohm coax (tv) foam pe isolation, velocity 78%, 1 end shorted
L4  64t, stranded HV, 72uH, 0.8 Ohm, selfresonant (so no cap) on 4.8Mhz (Belden 24Kv HV cable)

Video of the testing here:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utkIltw6WrU&feature=youtu.be
Just a piece of advice.

There are two easy ways of determing the resonant frequency of an LCR circuit (including self-resonant coils):

1) Sweeping a single frequency with the goal of achieving the maximum amplitude in a parallel LCR circuit.
2) "Kicking" the LCR circuit with a pulse having a fast slew-rate and observing its ringing frequency during the kicking pulse's constant level period.

For method outlined in pt.1 a pure sinewave stimulation is appropriate because it contains only one frequency.
If a square wave is used in pt.1 then the LCR circuit is stimulated with many frequencies simultaneously and you cannot be sure which one it is responding to.
For example you might make a mistake whether you are hitting the peak of the green lobe in the yellow rectangle or the peak of the green lobe in the blue rectangle (see the squarewave spectrogram attached below).

For the method outlined in pt.2 a rectangular pulse is the most appropriate.  This pulse does not have to be short. It only has to have a large slew-rate and a quiescent period long enough to observe the exponentially decaying ringing frequency (see the oscillogram below)

In your video, you are making a mistake using a rectangular waveform for the measurement of the resonant frequency outlined in pt.1.



jbignes5

Quote from: frantz on September 16, 2012, 03:54:39 PM


HI again,
I do not deny in your point of view. I think, your understanding is very good.
I want just to explain myself how are working these phenomenas together.
:)
I look forward to your results.

One thing, I don't know what from you will get HV around 3- 15 kV? From ordinary transformer? We should to use some industrial transformer to this...
Hmmm and frequency 50 -60 Hz it is not so easy (max 400 Hz) for motor/generator for 3600rpm.


Well the exciter portion of the generator will develop the current necessary for the the High voltage field coils. All we need to do is put it through a Tesla coil then into the field coils and walla High voltage. The timing for the field coils will come from the exciter as well. The generator coils inside of the field coils will also turn on the same shaft and in opposite direction of the field coils. This will also help to keep the motor/generator from stalling and provide additional current to be utilized by the load and prime mover (Motor).

Also you had a question about what the heavy current will have to do with this process. Well if the inner rotor coils are producing a heavy magnetic field then that field will cut the hv coils and produce even more HV from the field coils.


Now how does this relate to TK's method. Well it should improve it immensely. It should amplify it 10 fold. As Tesla was reported to say this Motor/generator could be used to power a house and then some.

verpies

Quote from: frantz on September 16, 2012, 03:54:39 PM
One thing, I don't know what from you will get HV around 3- 15 kV? From ordinary transformer? We should to use some industrial transformer to this...
Hmmm and frequency 50 -60 Hz it is not so easy (max 400 Hz) for motor/generator for 3600rpm.

Think about it: 10kV in 1ns means 10TV/s slew-rate (yes, that's Tera Volts!).
Do you know of any transistor, diode, spark-gap, thyratron, krytron, sprytron that can switch on and off in 1 nanosecond?

Do you know of any ferrite that is good above 1GHz (reciprocal of 1ns) useful for building a transformer capable of transforming a sub 1ns pulse?

Do you think that multiple serially connected transistors or tunnel diodes avalanche faster or slower than single ones?