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Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

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T-1000

Quote from: wattsup on March 15, 2016, 10:22:09 AM
Sooooooooooooooooooooooo. Is it possible to marry the best attributes of both AC and DC into one method?

Without making another wall of text just put DC + wire + bulb as simple circuit then apply AC over capacitor connected to one of DC terminals connected to the bulb and the end of same wire going to the bulb. Then see what will happen.
Then later exchange that piece of wire with a coil.
And no theory can exactly will tell how both currents will be going over same wire... ;)

Cheers!

stivep

Quote from: wattsup on March 15, 2016, 10:22:09 AM
@all

new angle.
I am not saying at the same time that I believe TK is legitimate.
THAT MAY BE RELEVANT TO THE 2004 TK device. wattsup



Quotewith both DC and AC pulsing,
object : create a strong polarity change in one coil medium that can impart those changes to a second coil medium with or without a core.
The bench:  AC cannot be a true alternating current if it is to also follow the "electron flow" model
You cannot have both  The AC neutral is always grounded hence it can NEVER be hot.
The hot side is HOT, OK, but the neutral is exactly that NEUTRAL.
There is never any hot signal leaving from the neutral side to enter the coil(s).
-The neutral is just the "wire"(side) connected to the ground by utility company.
- hot is floating off (the grid)
-AC is  alternating current
Electron flow is our model ( it is not important  if this is the true it just allows  us to build another models on the top  of it.
you might see it as , say: shaking  action of electron  that makes other electrons to shake
whatever makes you happy.
https://www.quora.com/If-alternating-current-electrons-go-back-and-forth-in-a-circuit-why-do-I-need-to-put-more-electricity-in-the-circuit
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Notice not related:
This notice is here just  for fun  of what you can do with electron.
-http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374029/
-http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/03/bathing-atoms-in-light-to-make-them-cool-off/




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QuoteDC and AC are really not the same thing at all.
-Not the same


QuoteAC is not a dual DC even if it is full bridge rectified,
- It is not
DC is "direct" flow with vector set in one direction.




Quote
just try both methods and try to produce the same sinewaves and you will see there is no way possible (except at high frequencies).
not you will not.
You lost me here:
DC is  steady  level of  potential ( amplitude)
AC is shape varying in time
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Quoteprove to me that a car battery is 12 volts in that the negative terminal is at zero volts and the positive terminal is at 12 volts
self explanatory use DMM.
If you need different polarization ( in the same  terminals) take different  point of  reference or manually  write word  "OPPOSITE" on it, if that makes you  happy.

Quote


So prove to me that the battery is truly
a: 0 and 12 volts
b: and not -6 to +6 volts
ad a:
that depends from point of reference . If your point of reference is Ionosphere than your  plus of your battery is 300 000V -12V= 300 988 V and it will show minus
If you have more minus.... than minus or more plus.... than you have " plus"........  than always the smaller number will be  minus(-)
However even if you connect plus of your battery to the ground and measure ionosphere  potential from minus of the battery, than that would make approximately 300012V 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_electricity
the problem here is electrostatic charge properties that does not  add up to  battery charge ( but  what the heck)
ad b:
The  -6 to +6 will show 12V  however if you take different point of reference you might see from 0 to +12  or any  other result depends from  correlation of that point to the battery
Point in the  air might give you 0V and 0V  in both terminals.


QuoteProve to me with your volt meter or your scope. If using the scope set it to both DC then AC coupling and convince me which is the valid scope waveform. Why is the DC reading supposed to be considered the valid method?
there is no valid method it  is your method that is  accepted or denied by others.
If majority  accept it  that this becomes a standard.

Quote
DC pulse is a simple peak, peak,  where when the pulse is off, there is nothing to hold it from oscillating.
This is useful in some ways but counterproductive
in other ways because the copper atoms are left to themselves to realign before the next pulse.
Nothing can rebias the copper wire before the next pulse.
you lost me here.
DC is not peak it is a pulse. Pulse has  rising edge and falling edge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_edge
Peak is related usually to AC. http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/peak-pk
Atoms have nothing to do with  AC or DC


"All matter is made of atoms, and all atoms have electrons."
when you deal with batteries you deals with ions
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/general-article/light-acdc/




QuoteExplain to me how AC can alternate while there is a ground wire on the neutral side.
http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/38666/difference-between-line-and-neutral-in-ac


QuoteIn the common AC discussion the hot AC signal alternates from the HOT side to the Neutral side and back and forth. So tell me how a hot wire can exist on the same line that is grounded.
Our model of AC sinusoidal shape of AC signal at 50Hz(60Hz) has horizontal line known as  zero potential.
that what is below the line is minus.
the rest you will find in the same article.

http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/38666/difference-between-line-and-neutral-in-ac







QuoteAC pulse is however a very strong gradual rise or better worded "controlled rise" and "controlled fall"
there is no rise and no fall it is graduated alternating  change  in  sinusoidal  fashion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternating_current
period as property of AC is one full change   starting from  zero 0 to maximum of positive amplitude of potential  than to zero and maximum of negative amplitude of potential  and then  back to zero 0
However  because  the ZERO horizontal  line is the line of TIME!!! the negative halve of  period is taking place in the time frame  fallowing the time frame of positive half.
that  indicates  waveform moving forward( current flow)
Remember that is only model!!! we use.




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Quote:where the copper atoms are always under a rise or fall stress leaving no moment for the copper atoms to rebias by any other means.
atoms have nothing to do with current flow in  conductor unless in special conditions of that flow.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/general-article/light-acdc/
atoms have (usually) no stress (NONE ZERO ZIPO)
look free free electrons
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/ohmmic.html
or for
unpaired electrons
Question 11 
http://www.ualr.edu/rebelford/chem1402/q1402/X3/c8/8-1/8-1.htm


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AC is a perpetual controlled peak and rebias but there is never any "electron flow" hence there is not any need for electrons since their reason for existing is to "flow" in a wire.
-not true.
http://www.qrg.northwestern.edu/projects/vss/docs/power/2-whats-electron-flow.html


QuoteIf you remove their reason for existing in this effect, you just killed the electron flow mode
you will only kill  the  reason to flow. not the model of the flow.



QuoteOK, AC then is what? If electrons do not flow, what the hell is going on in our wires?
look up at the all answers above.
QuoteWe know the copper wire is made up of copper (and other noble metals) ions or atoms.
copper is not made from ions
a. atomic structure and electrical conduction http://mste.illinois.edu/users/Murphy/HoleFlow/Structure.php
b. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper

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We are told that all atoms have "electrons spinning" around a center nucleus
but we also know that the science behind explaining where these mysterious electrons get their energy to spin around a nucleus is not explained to any fluent degree.
a. http://www.livescience.com/32427-where-do-electrons-get-energy-to-spin-around-an-atoms-nucleus.html
this article explains why electron does not fall into a nucleus.


b.http://education.jlab.org/qa/atomicstructure_08.html
this article gives you easy answer of electron  ejection and General Uncertainty Principle


c. http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/18473/where-do-electrons-get-their-ever-lasting-circulating-energy
this one is very good but still misses  answering the question what  that electron spinning energy originated from at the first place...
like God.. ..the first push to move...


d.https://www.quora.com/Why-do-the-electrons-revolve-around-the-nucleus
Well this guy wanted to void difficult question of electrons orbiting nucleus and I disagree with him.
he postulated that electrons just exist.
It is for me - a person  who is  sitting in nuclear physics unaceptable, as if I accept it, than I should change my understanding to e.g.Electron–positron annihilation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron%E2%80%93positron_annihilation .If  electrons  have been just sitting  there than not moving  than collision would never happened
( "in the million years")
but this is just my personal discomfort making me to  reject  this guy  statement. ( so is all science too)


e.https://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=1195
this one explains why the atom is of certain size. origination of  the first  ever force of electron is missing.
quote:
If they are only given some energy, but not enough to knock them loose, they will move from one orbital to another (say from the S-orbital to the P-orbital). But if there is no other electron in the lower-energy orbital, they will fall back down again. When they do, they release energy in the form of a photon (light). This is part of the concept that lasers are based on.End of Quote
Well not the answer to the question but around the question........!!!!


f.
Quote:
BUT THE QUESTION REMAINS, WHY DOES THE ELECTRON START MOVEMENT AT ALL? WHERE FROM DOES IT GET THE ENERGY?
- RAGINI (age 15)
MUMBAI, MAHARASHTRA, INDIA    End of Quote:

A:- is the guy who responded to this question and he said:
Quote:"That would be a big problem if somehow there was a way for the electrons to start with zero energy. If an electron is floating around on its own, its kinetic energy can be very low. However, there is then a lot of electrostatic energy associated with its electric fields.That can be lowered by bringing it closer to a positive charge, like a proton.  That can form a simple hydrogen atom. The electron will now have more kinetic energy, but less potential energy.  The extra energy will radiate away as an electromagnetic field."
Mike W. End of Quote

Wesley:guys I GIVE UP!!!!!!
he gives no frinkin answer. He is for the all length of this article trying to  frickin  kick on the side so hi still looks like "smart guy" "the professor"conclusion: he gives  NO ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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however I got something interesting:
https://www.quora.com/Why-does-an-electron-move-around-the-nucleus


Quote:Why does an electron move around the nucleus?
How Does centripetal is balanced by electrostatic force? Is it centripetal or centrifugal?end of quote

Although I completely disagree with that answer of that guy .
I found  convenient part of it that supports 
-Tariel Kapanadze
-Lituania Experiment
- Ruslan
- Akula
-Tiger
the common part is High Voltage and electrostatic potential.

down of the article there is  statement:


Quote: As stated that the rotating particle, here the electron, "ll need a centripetal force to move in a circle around the nucleus. This necessary Centripetal Force is provided by the electrostatic force between the electron and the nucleus.
Note that : Centripetal Force is not a fundamental force of the universe, so it will always be produced due the four fundamental force(s).
now lets cut this bullshit  to very note end of Quote.

we are interested only with that part:
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Force is provided by the electrostatic force between the electron and the nucleus.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
fine.

I love it :
So  now  we on purpose  do not go to the deep shit of what causes that electrostatic force
or what is the mechanism originating that force
Let's say we have that force.
And the things go on and on......................
electron has a motion  and everybody is happy.................


Now start to think of it as  if it is real.( just for the moment)
If there is never ending force that makes electron to  cruise around the nucleus without frickin energy losses for ever..........
that on the big scale..........
Big electrostatic source can  do the same?
I know that it sounds insane.
but if the frickin Science have so much problem with one fundamental question of young 15 years old boy from Mumbai  https://www.google.com/search?q=Mumbai&oq=Mumbai&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8


WHY DOES THE ELECTRON START MOVEMENT AT ALL? WHERE FROM DOES IT GET THE ENERGY?- RAGINI (age 15)MUMBAI, MAHARASHTRA, INDIA
and they seem to never give the answer
Than my answer to  ever working TK device  is on the same level of  perceptual   insanity or perceptual geniosity .
do you agree with me?


So at least one thing we need to look close to is presence of Electrostatic  Field of Potentials.


Thank you wattsup for stimulating my brain


Wesley

Meta

Note this quote....14.4 and 28.8 are fractal harmonics of the ancient gnosis numbers 144 (light) and 288 (double light) which are intimately related with Leahy's number 82944.

"The resonance remains same at 14.4khz but i am doing 28.8khz"
which then needs 35watt from a 12volt battery 

Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY

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« Reply #12703 on: March 13, 2016, 05:53:22 PM »

Meta

I once saw a electron microscope micrograph of a matrix of atoms. There were no cloud of electrons around a core of protons and neutrons. As I said, all things are nothing more than spinning space called Anu or the basic unit of creation, the torus. In an atom we just have clusters of toroidal spheres.

In the micrograph, each fuzzy, constantly moving sphere in the fixed matrix had a light hole in what I assumed was one pole of the fuzzy sphere. Knowing that all things take the shape of a two hole torus, I assumed the other side also had a light hole. If it did, then we have an explanation of what a atom does, as follows......

In physics it is said that for an electron to be detected it must spin two times to be detected again....this is called spin 1/2.

Here is what I think the energy of a toroidal electron and toroidal atom, does.

The energy spins or spirals around the outside of the torus then it goes into the light hole and is rotated 180 degrees (90 degrees is 180 in reality) and this spin flips the energy and turns it to light which then spins on the inside of the torus and comes back out the black hole to spin on the outside again, thus two times around for the light to be dected again. Reality is two sided, one side we see (This Side)  the other we cant see (Other Side, virtual). We want the virtual electron potential of Bearden.

Meta

Westley asks,

Why does the electron start moving at all?

Think of ALL so called particles inclusing the atoms and electrons, as tori and clusters of tori.
ALL these act exactly like a gyroscope. Joeseph Newman and his Eergy Machine.
If you apply a force to the spinning processional axis of any gyroscope, it will immediately rotate 90 degrees to that force and start to precess or spiral around the wire from where it was dislodged and will travel (spiral) along the wire. If you dislodge an electron, you get moving electrons or electricity.