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Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

Started by Pirate88179, June 27, 2009, 04:41:28 AM

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Jimboot

Quote from: Ganzha on November 06, 2011, 03:05:02 AM
Please pay attention to video  from Tiger_2007 he is also in "Wesley team"  and he is most important person in team because he is inventor of this Youki looks like device! Be honest!
Sorry mate! Not a deliberate omission. Didn't mean to offend. I will also pay close attention to @tiger_2007

grizli

Quote from: T-1000 on November 05, 2011, 11:34:29 PM
1. Sinus wave.
2. http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/aidas/3_pirmine_iskociojimas_pjuklas.jpg - input is square, output is sinus in resonance.
3. http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/aidas/4_spagep_kontur.jpg - you can emulate HV discharge with wave like this. We skipped that in experiment, 1.+2. (2.5W+2.5W) was enough to light up 150W halogen.


Don't you use for 3. capacitor in paralel so that 90 degree coil self oscillate at its own natural LC frequency which is given by spectral analysis

1. 2.5W for 50 hz sine (the same for 380 khz), HOW is that possible, if sine has higher amplitude than 380 khz signal ? Also ferrite coil impedance is MUCH MUCH lower for such low frequency ? ???

verpies

Quote from: grizli on November 06, 2011, 04:28:24 AM
Don't you use for 3. capacitor in paralel so that 90 degree coil self oscillate at its own natural LC frequency which is given by spectral analysis
1. 2.5W for 50 hz sine (the same for 380 khz), HOW is that possible, if sine has higher amplitude than 380 khz signal ? Also ferrite coil impedance is MUCH MUCH lower for such low frequency ? ???

I don't think the inventors have measured the power fed to the LF and HF primary windings.

To do that, they would have to take simultaneous oscilloscope readings of the current and voltage in the primary circuits and multiply these readings sample by sample (multiplying the average readings taken by e.g a DMMs would be a grievous error!).

Instead, the inventors just rely on the maximum power rating of their signal generators which are rated 10V @ 250mA, for power limit estimation.
If this power rating is true and there are no unexpected differential voltages BETWEEN the two generator outputs, then indeed they are limited to supplying 2.5W of power per generator.

It is very likely that if the inventors had actually measured the true power delivered by the signal generators to the primary windings with a multiplying oscilloscope, then they would find out that e.g. one delivers 1W and the other delivers 2W. 

In any case, it is a safe bet for the inventors to claim that input power is no more than 2.5W.  ...and it is a good habit to overstate the input power in OU claims. (and understate the output power).


Now, regarding the capacitors on the 1 turn Braid winding:

This winding (a shorted transmission line actually) will apparently resonate by itself. 

I would expect that the Braid winding stimulated with a transient sharp rectangular pulse, would ring with a 1.6Mhz sinewave on the falling edge of that rectangular pulse, without any capacitors in parallel
I like to call this ringing frequency - the Ferrite Resonant Frequency (FRF) although it is apparently the resonance of  a shorted transmission line with a complex ferrimagnetic medium (with multitude of unconventional effects).

The capacitors in parallel with that Braid winding are there apparently to lower the FRF of 1.6MHz to the Braid Resonant Frequency (BRF) of 382kHz, making the BRF the 4th subharmonic of FRF. 
( FRF / BRF = 4 )

Apparently resonating the Braid winding at the full FRF is impractical for some reasons.

baroutologos

Quote from: verpies on November 06, 2011, 06:19:25 AM
I don't think the inventors have measured the power fed to the LF and HF primary windings.

Also @ Grizly,
From scope shots in both cases, since the channel 1 of the digital PC based o-scope is used the volt/div is 20V.

...
I have already asked this question. IMO its best to clarify power measurements to have a reference ground. Its good for all :)

I explain. Maybe the Signal Generators are destined for 10v p-p at fraction of amp, but during the resonant rise of the windings (that effectively can be depicted as parallel LC tanks circuits in impedance terms) the voltage at:

-Primary A 50 Hz 15 turn is 120 Volts p-p or some 40-45 Volts AC (rough estimate)

-Primary B 380Khz 50 turns is 75p-p or some 28 Volts AC

So, in my view, if the SG manages somehow (without burned obviously) to feed Primary A @ (say) some 0.25 Amps (while in resonant rise) at those 120v p-p (as oscillograms suggest) or 45 AC then the power in would be some 11w and not 2.5watt

Respectively the Primary B would input some 6.5watts if fed with 0.25A at those 28V AC (35v+ p-p)
ANyway those figures if true, clearly they suggest OU.
....

Anyway, we expect fully exploration and documentation of the effect by the TK replication team and potential other replicators.
Tinkering at its full glory :)

Thanks

wattsup

Quote from: KultusNagrand on November 05, 2011, 10:41:29 PM
Hi all my Name is Kultus ("The Kultus" from youtube), a member of your forum brought to my attention via a post from wattsup that I may be of use to help in wiring up Flyback transformers for use within your projects circuitry.

I am into overunity projects of my own as some of you may know from my Utube Vids, but I will offer to you all my help in any way I can.
I will say it now I am not a educated man.... However I am a person who sees things for what they are and are not held back by rules of physics as they are not known to me, if I build something and I see a result it is what it is.

@Wattsup, if you would like to post or send to me a copy of your schematic I will do my best to help you wire up your FB to your device.   getting the resonance right is going to be the hardest, but if I follow the idea correctly you can achieve this with a variable condenser (air capacitor (although I like to think of capacitors and condensers are 2 different things ))

I will get back to reading this forum from he beginning, this may take a few days..weeks lol.. if anyone wants to bring me up to speed on where we are heading with this, that would be great too.

@KultusNagrand

You're late. Just jokin bro.

Don't read from page 1. That would be too painful or as I had written somewhere before, it would be tantamount to suicide (lol). Just go back 20-30 pages. 50 if you are daring.

The image below is a grab of the three files I had open on my desktop when I was working all this out.

First I replicated your diagram (right) using my flyback (left) and it did work really well. You'll see those in the back pages. Then I started trying to migrate this flyback into @T-1000's diagram (center). The flyback actually survived those trials although I was never able to get the center circuit working.  But I burned the flyback trying some other variations that the flyback really did not like. It happens. So now I need to find the best flyback for the center diagram. Notice the flyback does not have any internal diodes or other components. The primary needs a center tap and there should be two taps on the secondary. The HV is simple succession but look how the negative of the HV side is going though the flyback secondary that has the tapped capacitor.

Also, you don't really have to start taking apart all your yokes since guys have them easily available locally. If you are going to do a build, then find a nice yoke and a flyback that can fit the center circuit.

This project is in transition right now with everything being discovered as we go along. I am still wondering how the final circuit diagram will look like with the Yoke Coil and I have several questions about the yoke build before I wind the coils. Welcome aboard and all the best.

wattsup