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Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

Started by Pirate88179, June 27, 2009, 04:41:28 AM

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verpies

Quote from: baroutologos on November 15, 2011, 04:46:10 AM
By pulsing the copper strip, and assuming ferrite has a core ringing (singing) frequency, then anything wound on it should be able to pick it up ("hear it").

Since Mr.Itsu is sleeping now and no new experimental data for this exotic ferrite is expected for several hours, I'd like to take this time to theorize a bit.

Since the domains in ferromagnetic material are made out of matter,  they should have mass.  These domains are apparently also capable of physical movement as evidenced by the Barkhausen Effect and the action of the pinning defects in hard ferromagnets. See:
Section 1.3.3 - Coercivity, Handbook of advanced magnetic materials, Tom 1 by Yi Liu,Daisuke Shindō,David J. Sellmyer

In soft ferromagnetic and ferrimagnetic materials, like our Russian yoke, the domains should be able to easily rotate around their own centers when subjected to a rotating magnetic field created by two perpendicular windings driven by two sinewaves 90deg. out of phase.

By "rotate" I mean the spinning of the macroscopic domains around their center of mass, not the rotation of the aggregate magnetization polarization vector created by the addition of many domain vectors (the latter can happen without the rotation of individual domains).  Also, I do not mean the rotation of electrons (spins) within the domains or Electron Spin Resonance effect (ESR).

Now, if these domains indeed can spin like that and they possess mass then they should be able to acquire significant angular momentum in such rotating magnetic field. Unlike linear oscillation, such domain rotation should persist for a longer time even after the stimulating rotating magnetic field is removed. Longer decay time should facilitate observation.
This domain rotation should have specific precession frequency when disturbed by an electric field perpendicular to the axis of this rotation as well as some Lorentz forces interactions.

In summary,  the 2D stimulation of a ferri/ferromagnetic core by a high frequency rotating magnetic field, should make it "sing' in a different manner than a 1D linear stimulation by conventional bulk LC resonance setups.

To spin up the domains and to measure this effect, two sinewave signal generators would be required.
These generators would have to be always 90deg. out of phase and always tuned to the same frequency (harmonics would work also, but not as well).
The outputs of these two signal generators would feed two perpendicular windings around a ferri/ferromagnetic core.
As the frequency of both of these generators is swept in the kHz - MHz range, the rotational domain response of the core should be observed.

By comparison, the 1D linear oscillation of the ferrite with just one signal generator / winding should be much weaker.

Sounds familiar?

verpies

Quote from: orel1 on November 15, 2011, 06:21:23 AM
Which ferrite should I use. I have two of them, one has lower height/bigger diameter, the other bigger height/lower diameter than one that you used. (I added link to picture of two ferittes)
Do you maybe have any diagram of feritte caracterictics?

I like the bottom-right ferrite on your photo better.
The BH characteristics of the ferrite OC-90.38ПЦ12 which is used by the inventors in the working device, will be measured soon by the user Osiakosia (see his posts in this thread) . Note that other ferrites are not guaranteed to work.

What's your native language?

orel1

Quote from: verpies on November 15, 2011, 07:37:20 AM
I like the bottom-right ferrite on your photo better.
The BH characteristics of the ferrite OC-90.38ПЦ12 which is used by the inventors in the working device, will be measured soon by the user Osiakosia (see his posts in this thread) . Note that other ferrites are not guaranteed to work.

What's your native language?

Slovene - similar to Russian, but not the same. Dimenssions of that ferrite are:
hight=3cm, diameter at bottom=11cm, diameter at top=7cm, inner diameter at bottom=10,2cm, inner diameter at top=5cm
Work is in progress, i don't have all the material yet. Problem will be with variable capacitor and HV probe x1000. Slowly, no hurry - evrything at proper time.
let the oil barrel suffer  :)

verpies

Quote from: orel1 on November 15, 2011, 08:35:18 AM
Slovene - similar to Russian, but not the same.

If you are still in Slovenia then you should be able to find one of the following Russian TV sets that were imported from Russia during the cold war.  These TV sets have that magic ferrite OC-90.38ПЦ12 in them:

Foton C-220.
Wjesna C-276
Gorizont C-256, C-256(D), C-257, C-257(D).
Rubin C-201, C-205, C-207, C-255(D).
Elektron 722, 723, 724, 725 726, 72S, 731, 733, 734, 736, 738, 739, 740, 741, 742.

The names and symbols above have been transliterated from the Cyrillic to Latin alphabet.

itsu

Good morning :-),

thanks for the theory Verpies, lets see how this can be put into practice.
First some open questions:

QuoteThe 2turn loop is around what?  It's not shown on the video...

Its not in the video,  i measured it later on.
What i normally do to measure the natural resonance of a coil is to use my FG, attach a small loop of 2 turns (1 cm o.d.) and "couple" this into the coil under test,
in this case in the center of the yoke coils.

Then hookup my scope and sweep through the 2Mhz (square wave) range of my FG looking for sine wave resonance points of the coil under test.
This way i found the earlier mentioned resonance points for the 3 coils.



QuoteOne more thing I forgot to ask: The FG provides DC or AC signal there?

It must be AC.


Its AC, should be visible on the latest video when scoping the square wave, the red arrow at the left is "0".


QuoteA solution to deal one and for all with this problem is to white noise the copper strip

Well, my FG does not supply white noise and using a PC/laptop application with its audio card surely does not go high enough in frequency.


Anyway, more experiments tonight.

Regards   Itsu.