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Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

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jbignes5

 So how do we avoid the NMR and core polarization? Well getting rid of the core is one aspect. Oh snap wait Tesla did that already...


This picturew below is the no core High voltage reactor. Thats not a metal core thats a wooden dowel.

It does this via bucking fields of the core windings. Because the winding is polar bifilar in design he separates the positive from the negative and can increase the oscillations as well with the properly tuned circuit feeding it. I know there is another picture of it somewhere.. I'll find it and add it below.

I think the lower one might not be correct but that is what I can find about this special transformer that he used to force the voltage into extreme excitation with even a modest pulse. Naturally this transformer is built with oil immersion as well. This allows the windings to operate without shorting out.

The lower picture looks like a version without bucking fields. With the upper one being the experimental transformer where each component can be hooked up differently. This figure 3 is the transformer he used in the lecture that he states is static like in discharging and is capable of generating such high voltages and frequencies when compared to normal transformers.

" The effects of resonance are being more and more noted by engineers and are becoming of great importance in the practical operation of apparatus of all kinds with alternating currents.  A few general remarks may therefore be made concerning these effects.  It is clear, that if we succeed in employing the effects of resonance practically in the operation of electric devices the return wire will, as a matter of course, become unnecessary, for the electric vibration may be conveyed with one wire just as well as, and sometimes even better than, with two.  The question first to answer is, then, whether pure resonance effects are producible.  Theory and experiment both show that such is impossible in Nature, for as the oscillation becomes more and more vigorous, the losses in the vibrating bodies and environing media rapidly increase and necessarily check the vibration which otherwise would go on increasing forever.  It is a fortunate circumstance that pure resonance is not producible, for if it were there is no telling what dangers might not lie in wait for the innocent experimenter.  But to a certain degree resonance is producible, the magnitude of the effects being limited by the imperfect conductivity and imperfect elasticity of the media or, generally stated, by frictional losses.  The smaller these losses, the more striking are the effects.  The same is the case in mechanical vibration.  A stout steel bar may be set in vibration by drops of water falling upon it at proper intervals; and with glass, which is more perfectly elastic, the resonance effect is still more remarkable, for a goblet may be burst by singing into it a note of the proper pitch.  The electrical resonance is the more perfectly attained, the smaller the resistance or the impedance of the conducting path and the more perfect the dielectric.  In a Leyden jar discharging through a short stranded cable of thin wires these requirements are probably best fulfilled, and the resonance effects are, therefore very prominent.  Such is not the case with dynamo machines, transformers and their circuits, or with commercial apparatus in general in which the presence of iron cores complicates the action or renders it impossible.  In regard to Leyden jars with which resonance effects are frequently demonstrated, I would say that the effects observed are often attributed but are seldom due to true resonance, for an error is quite easily made in this respect.  This may be undoubtedly demonstrated by the following experiment.  Take, for instance, two large insulated metallic plates or spheres which I shall designate A and B; place them at a certain small distance apart and charge them from a frictional or influence machine to a potential so high that just a slight increase of the difference of potential between them will cause the small air or insulating space to break down.  This is easily reached by making a few preliminary trials.  If now another plateâ€"fastened on an insulating handle and connected by a wire to one of the terminals of a high tension secondary of an induction coil, which is maintained in action by an alternator (preferably high frequency)â€"is approached to one of the charged bodies A or B, so as to be nearer to either one of them, the discharge will invariably occur between them; at least it will, if the potential of the coil in connection with the plate is sufficiently high.  But the explanation of this will soon be found in the fact that the approached plate acts inductively upon the bodies A and B and causes a spark to pass between them.  When this spark occurs, the charges which were previously imparted to these bodies from the influence machine, must needs be lost, since the bodies are brought in electrical connection through the arc formed.  Now this arc is formed whether there be resonance or not.  But even if the spark would not be produced, still there is an alternating E. M. F. set up between the bodies when the plate is brought near one of them; therefore the approach of the plate, if it does not always actually, will, at any rate, tend to break down the air space by inductive action.  Instead of the spheres or plates A and B we may take the coatings of a Leyden jar with the same result, and in place of the machine,â€"which is a high frequency alternator preferably, because it is more suitable for the experiment and also for the argument,â€"we may take another Leyden jar or battery of jars.  When such jars are discharging through a circuit of low resistance the same is traversed by currents of very high frequency.  The plate may now be connected to one of the coatings of the second jar, and when it is brought near to the first jar just previously charged to a high potential from an influence machine, the result is the same as before, and the first jar will discharge through a small air space upon the second being caused to discharge.  But both jars and their circuits need not be tuned any closer than a basso profundo is to the note produced by a mosquito, as small sparks will be produced through the air space, or at least the latter will be considerably more strained owing to the setting up of an alternating E. M. F. by induction, which takes place when one of the jars begins to discharge.  Again another error of a similar nature is quite easily made.  If the circuits of the two jars are run parallel and close together, and the experiment has been performed of discharging one by the other, and now a coil of wire be added to one of the circuits whereupon the experiment does not succeed, the conclusion that this is due to the fact that the circuits are now not tuned, would be far from being safe.  For the two circuits act as condenser coatings and the addition of the coil to one of them is equivalent to bridging them, at the point where the coil is placed, by a small condenser, and the effect of the latter might be to prevent the spark from jumping through the discharge space by diminishing the alternating E. M. F. acting across the same.  All these remarks, and many more which might be added but for fear of wandering too far from the subject, are made with the pardonable intention of cautioning the unsuspecting student, who might gain an entirely unwarranted opinion of his skill at seeing every experiment succeed; but they are in no way thrust upon the experienced as novel observations."

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Quote from: jbignes5 on May 22, 2012, 08:07:21 AM
Ok lets agree that The reluctance switch has the magamp in it as a base.
That might be splitting hairs, but for the sake of precision I agree that:
The unipolar pulsating (PDC) reluctance flux switch is an essential component of the Mag Amp, and because of that I conclude that the Mag Amp is based on the PDC reluctance switch - not the other way around.
The same applies to Saturable Reactors except the the reluctance flux switches in those devices are of the bipolar alternating (AC) type (which incur hysteresis core losses).

Neither the Mag Amp nor the Saturable Reactor use a DC reluctance flux switch that can interrupt non-varying magnetic flux.
However, the Annis Eberly Device uses such DC flux switch.
A demonstration of the DC reluctance flux switch can be seen here in Experiment 1 and Experiment 2.

Quote from: jbignes5 on May 22, 2012, 08:07:21 AM
In america you can edit a patent for 20% and will be granted a patent is 20% of the old patent was changed. This is what happened. They change only 20% of the patent to get control of the patent. These are patent games and a great many great inventors have been screwed this way.
I agree that the patent system is a waste of time and sanity. I do not wish to discuss the legal issues any further because I'm a scientis not a lawyer.

Quote from: jbignes5 on May 22, 2012, 08:07:21 AM
So yes the magamp is something that does in fact work. It is a great way to control massive amounts of current with not much at the base. The magamp is sooo hearty and robust that we could finally make a perfect control transistor without the limitations of silicon. Plus the mag amp can be built at home and customized to any situation one would need.
Yes, the Mag Amp is a true and tried device that can control large  PDC or AC currents.  However, its miniaturization and frequency of operation is limited :(  -  it does not work for DC electricity or high frequencies. 

Also Mag Amps do not work well with low currents and high voltages because the ferromagnetic phenomenon requires large magnitude of Amp*Turns.  This means that when the Amps are low then the winding Turns must be high to reach the knee of the BH curve of the core (an optimal operating point of Mag Amps).
This presents serious engineering difficulties - Thousands of turns are difficult to fit in an available space and difficult to wind.  Additionally, the interwinding capacitance of thousands of turns is large, further lowering Mag Amp's upper frequency limit.

These difficulties are usually solved by a stepping-down transformer that increases current at the expense of voltage.  It think you meant it by this:
Quote from: jbignes5 on May 22, 2012, 08:07:21 AM
You have to understand that for the most part we will not be using the magamp for very high currents except just before the load

Quote from: jbignes5 on May 22, 2012, 08:07:21 AM
I have to agree with your Post subscript. In fact I believe the core didn't have much to do with it and NMR actually got in the way.
The ferroresonance or NMR effect might not be essential but I am not sure if it was deterimental to the operation of the Yoke device or if it even occured. 
However even if it relied on the Konrad & Brudny reluctance flux switch controlled by electrodes (e.g. copper plates), the composition of the core would be of paramount importance to support this mode of flux switching.

Quote from: jbignes5 on May 22, 2012, 08:07:21 AM
Thats why the core lost it's ability to maintain the channel and started to permanently polarize.
The reported loss of functionality with time could very well be caused by the core being permanently polarized due to the unipolar pulses it was experiencing.  An obvious remedy for this would be the application of bipolar pulses at the expense of incuring hysteresis losses in the core.

jbignes5

 I'm glad we can finally agree on some of the disputed methods or terms.


That being said the problem is actually the core. What we do know is that if there is no core there is no loss associated with hysteresis. What if we could simulate a core via a shorted coil(electromagnet). Like a focus conduit. This is what I see in Ronotte's device. He is inductively bridging the emitter coil to the boost coil. This reduces the losses associated with hysteresis. Tesla has shown this is the way to go. If you can reduce the resistance of the emitter coil this also increases the ability of the whole system. Making the emitter coil bifilar also allows the choking to be at a minimum and allows for faster discharges into the emitter coil. This way the emitter coil will oscillate with the drive capacitor(oil filled) without restricting it's gain.


As for the magamp driving the emitter coil instead of the sparkgap I'm thinking this is not the way to go. The spark gap with polarizing magnets seems to be the best choice for conditioning the pulses in my honest opinion. There is an effect there of changing the orientation of the line that conducts(spark) Once it is polarized it changes the impacts against the opposite electrode. Lets look at this thought a bit.


Regular spark: O------>------------O   = 1 full pulse (current flows after short) O-------<----------O


.                                       N                                     N
Magnetic gap:   O--------->---------O            O||||||||||||||||||O   = 20 pulses  (current is totally suppressed after spark)
.                                       S                                     S

It is kinda like a pressure check valve or diode like action.


These are very simplistic in detail and I'm sure are also oversimplified. This was the method Tesla used to get huge amounts of cycles just from one pulse. The action from the cap to the emitter coil(s) facilitates the surfaces to bounce the pulse off of. More like reflecting actually.


Since the emitter is not directly tied to the secondary through a core you get some breathing room and generally will not reflect back to the emitter. This is because of the diode like effect that is now present. Looking at the voltages on each side you will see how this relates to the magamp and the principles it shows.


Anyways I think it is time for me to show what I am talking about. Hopefully over the coming moths I will be able to get a very good camera that is capable of hd and start showing my experiments to prove it since others cant see the process to well.

So in Tesla's oscillator system he has an increased voltage and reduced amperage via regular transformer. He then allows that to step charge the cap until the magnetic spark gap breaks down allowing the voltage to connect. Once it does the polarizing magnets flip the lines 90 degrees so that the current can not flow back across the gap. This is kinda like a pressure pump. This builds the output in intensity and considerable frequency. Once all is said and done you can collect the results into a capacitor again to use any way you like. The cap reduces the frequency and smooths out the system after the transformer. Whats in the cap can then be dumped into the antenna system of increasing intensity then into a coil to convert it down to normal levels for traditional loads or into specially designed High voltage loads when the conversion(transformer) is in the load. The latter being the best possible way to convert it.

verpies

Quote from: T-1000 on May 22, 2012, 07:47:46 AM
The yoke device, the Tesla coil + caduceus primary + ionization effect is all done by my hands as well.
Did the Yoke device, made by your hands, work with <10W of input power and >20W of output power?

Quote from: T-1000 on May 22, 2012, 07:47:46 AM
The main difference is, I know details down to assembly and they're shared over forums and youtube so everyone can rebuild it.
Yes, you share more details than others.
However, you don't share everything needed for replication.  For example, see the missing red info in these replication instructions,  - for instance in pt.8.

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Quote from: jbignes5 on May 22, 2012, 08:35:13 AM
So how do we avoid the NMR and core polarization? Well getting rid of the core is one aspect. Oh snap wait Tesla did that already...
Without the ferromanetic core it will be a completely different device. Neither the Mag Amp nor the Saturable Reactor nor the Yoke device nor the Annis Eberly device.

Quote from: jbignes5 on May 22, 2012, 08:35:13 AM
This picturew below is the no core High voltage reactor. Thats not a metal core thats a wooden dowel.
It does this via bucking fields of the core windings. Because the winding is polar bifilar in design he separates the positive from the negative
NMR is still possible in air or wood, albeit at different frequencies.  Without a ferromagnetic core an eventual ferroresonance is definitely gone.  I dont understand the phrase "polar bifilar". Standalone "bifilar" winding is understandable. Also, what are the "positiive" and "negative" entities being separated?  Ions?

What are the T1 and T2 terminals in Fig.3 ?  Are they the ends of windings?  Where are the beginnings of those two windings? Is the gray/dark t1 element an insulation material of the T1 terminal?

Quote from: jbignes5 on May 22, 2012, 11:04:54 AM
That being said the problem is actually the core. What we do know is that if there is no core there is no loss associated with hysteresis. What if we could simulate a core...
The hysteresis loss in modern ferromagnetic materials is small (e.g.: 4W/kg @ 100kHz for Nanoperm) but if the core was eliminated then it would be nonexistent, of course.  I do not know if it is possible to simulate the ferromagnetic core without superconducting current loops.

Quote from: jbignes5 on May 22, 2012, 11:04:54 AM
The spark gap with polarizing magnets seems to be the best choice...
At high voltages, spark gaps are the necessary switches.  The presence of magnetic field certainly influences the plasma created by an electric discharge in ionized gas (e.g. air)