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Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

Started by Pirate88179, June 27, 2009, 04:41:28 AM

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jbignes5

Quote from: Farmhand on January 18, 2014, 12:43:51 AM
it's inducing into a tertiary... I suspect that the combined poles will have to flee the core, and it might as well be 2 solenoids with cores in parallel wrapped with a 3rd coil...

but you should post that question on that thread...


I keep linking this document I hope people are reading it.  ;) Last paragraph of the quote is the really relevant part. When a load is placed on the transformer the extra current goes directly to the secondary, it does not make more flux. In fact when the transformer is loaded the flux decreases only due to core losses ect. the secondary is not tapping the core flux. It take a bit to wrap the head around but it makes sense to me. The transformer would work without the core but the core manipulates a lot more the inductance ect.

http://sound.westhost.com/xfmr.htm

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Anyway when I run my toroidal transformer I can detect definite magnetic effects from the ends of the four coils wound on it. With Tesla's transformers and motors that have no pole projections there is still a magnetic effect between where the four coils meet each other. I think that is where the "poles" appear and alternate as they are shifted by the way they are excited.

On top of that there is direct transformer action to the rotor from the coil I think in generators and motors. Even squirrel cages have "wires" in them.

There is another document that explains how the flux cuts the windings in the process of engaging the core or something, you'll need to read it, it is a theory I think, not proven fact as far as I can tell. Linked below.


Have you tried using the transformer in a counter intuitive way? By using a high voltage exciter coil as the primary and a heavy coil on the secondary you are changing the paradigm. A Tesla solenoid to raise the voltage to higher potentials feeding a high voltage cap that discharges trough a spark gap that can be electromagnetically controlled. That is the Timing & charge shaping device.


I was thinking really hard about the operation of Tesla's new generator. The Magneto generator used for the excitation field could be pulsed as well. Running to cap dischargers would fit the bill as well for the field solenoids. A bifilar wrap around the field coils that is split would still work in theory. I have yet to accomplish this. I recently have gotten the results to my MRI of my back. I have 5-6 herniated disks. They are talking surgery atm and I have not had a chance to meet the neural surgeons. MAybe after I get something done I will be back building and finishing my project.


Think of the rotating transformer more. Just by changing the rotational speed of the transformer one could get increased gain.


The other devices that are static (TK and others). Those static devices are harder to deal with and made to operate well.


Tesla had a trick with generators. It you could move the rotor in the opposite direction from the excitation fields then you could turn the rotor slower and make better generation. Two speeds in opposite directions are additive in this case.


In the cast with the Tesla motor generator the motor has to be of the design that Tesla made in that patent. All the patent made by Tesla for motors and finding out the correct geometry of the cores, poles and wraps of the poles is very important to the device. He has serveral experiments/patents that deal with phases or creation of phases for motor designing. These refinements I believe can be used in the motor section as well. The motor is very important. It had to brake and provide the motion in the device. A motor like that could drive a transmission as well and extract energy that way for a simpler design.
It could very well drive an additional generator if one desired for an added boost. This of course could drive many motors on each wheel point for computer controlled traction and power control to get rid of the resistance in the transmission. Kinda like a 4 wheel drive.


Back then that was too much to do but he did opt for the transmission connection and it worked quite well. With reported speeds of 90 miles an hour. In a pierce arrow that could be doable? I'd have to check the specs.

Farmhand

EDITED:

Sorry to say but the experiment I just posted here was flawed, so I removed it. On closer inspection I had made a connection mistake. My bad.

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P.S. jbigness5, I hope to get a few more experiments done soon. Rotating field. Pulsing ect. Different experiments.  ;)

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Grumage

Quote from: Farmhand on January 18, 2014, 11:34:15 AM
EDITED:

Sorry to say but the experiment I just posted here was flawed, so I removed it. On closer inspection I had made a connection mistake. My bad.

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P.S. jbigness5, I hope to get a few more experiments done soon. Rotating field. Pulsing ect. Different experiments.  ;)

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Dear Farmhand and jbigness5.

First, please find attached  Tesla generator patent. Is this the patent you are both referring to ??

Farmhand, I watched your video I wondered if you had got the bifilar crossed?? But I think the action you were seeing IS important, please don't scrap that video just yet. Better still let T-1000 see it !! BTW what is your core made from ? Is it segmented ?

More importantly I wonder how this Generator would perform with a rotor ??

Cheers Grum.

Addendum.

You could see this device as a mechanical TPU !!  ;)  Possibly Lenzless ??  ;)

verpies

Quote from: Farmhand on January 18, 2014, 12:43:51 AM
I keep linking this document I hope people are reading it.  ;) Last paragraph of the quote is the really relevant part.
"When a load is placed on the transformer the extra current goes directly to the secondary, it does not make more flux. In fact when the transformer is loaded the flux decreases only due to core losses ect. the secondary is not tapping the core flux."
http://sound.westhost.com/xfmr.htm
Indeed this is a good article.

IMO the most significant quote is this bolded one:
"A very interesting phenomenon exists when we draw current from the secondary. Since the primary current increases to supply the load, we would expect that the magnetic flux in the core would also increase (more amps, same number of turns, more flux). In fact, the flux density decreases!  In a perfect transformer with no copper loss, the flux would remain the same".

Indeed, at its ideal extreme, the action of the secondary winding is to maintain (freeze) the magnetic flux in the core at a constant level.
Many people do not understand the Lenz Law and falsely think that the current flowing in the secondary winding increases (or decreases) the magnetic flux in transformer's core.

I saw in the text that you were quoting, that you were replying to Jbignes5. 
His ideas about adding voltage to an existing current flow in order to increase power are nonsense, however his questions about the the influence of varying magnetic flux confined to a ferromagnetic core, on a winding outside of that core, have merit.  If you take abstract concepts such as "the magnetic field" and "the electric field" for granted, without mechanistic explanation of their origin, then the Maxwell's or Faraday's Laws of induction suffice to explain the relationship between them*, but that is not a mechanistic explanation.  Jbignes5 is doomed to fail in finding such physical answer because he starts with an "electric field" as an abstract non-mechanistic axiom without consideration what it really is.  Just like so many others, he just writes "electric field" and is done with it.

* Those two laws do not explain the AB Effect.

Farmhand

Yes grummage your right I did make a silly connection mistake, and on a third check after realizing I must have done something wrong I discovered my error. I'm only human, but I admit my error and remove the video. I can't leave a video up there with such a silly mistake in it. I'll blame it on my pain killing medications :-[, I hope to be free of those and have a much clearer head after tomorrow.  :)

For future experiments I will ensure I have correct connections, with so many wires it becomes a bit of a mess trying so many different connections. My health has only just improved enough to resume experimenting, and I get some injections in my spine tomorrow so I should be up and at it then.

I will do more experiments with those transformers and I have tried the connection arrangement in that patent, it does secure a difference of phase as the patent says, but Lenzless, I don't think so. The best I can do with testing that is to use the left over set of coils as an output to load the setup. Or make an (ad hock rotor) from steel. 

Grummage, You see to get that patent arrangement, all I need do is use the completed transformer and use one opposite set of thick wire coils as the 1:1 transformer to feed the 90 degree set of fine wire coils then I end up with one opposite set of thick and thin wire coils left over.

Yes I agree with jbigness5 on some things and jbigness5 can deal with differences of opinion well. I guess we should take our discussions to the thread jbigness made for the Dynamo electric machine. I have a couple of transformers and I can connect them up but at this point I have no two phase 90 degree supply, the best I can do to get two phases of current is to use a start/run capacitor and that is not ideal. I do have a split phase induction motor and could maybe use it or modify it to be a generator, but it won't have a wound rotor, I would have to use permanent magnets on the rotor and generate from the existing field coils. I also have a stack of core lamination plates from a three phase motor core, two entire cores from a couple of 7,5 kW motors. So I can go bigger stack wise.

But what I really want is a two phase generator to produce two outputs at 90 degrees phase difference, with either three or preferably four wires so I can use that to get rotating fields in these setups, most methods produce less or more than the ideal 90 degree phase difference.

Verpies the PDF in the attachment of my previous post. Did you read that one too, "Classfuxan".

..Anyway I will attend my chores and reconfigure the completed transformer the way the one in the patent drawing shown by Grummage is wired. I recall getting about a 70 degree phase difference. I think the magnetizing effect will be uneven between the two phases as one has a lot more turns but they will see the same current.

A false start, but I'll get back to the blocks, and try again.

Cheers all.