Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

[Zeitmaschine]

No, magnetic field only deflects moving electrons.  see: Lorentz force.
Protons and positrons attract electrons.

But the electrons in a wire are moving. So could a magnetic field deflect electrons from ground into an electric circuit?

according to the Lenz Law the current in a shorted secondary winding of a transformer will flow in the opposite direction to the current flowing in the primary winding in order to maintain (freeze) the magnetic flux in the transformer's core at a constant level.

I still don't get it! When a transformer's primary coil is connected to the grid and the secondary coil is shorted, what happens? It draws more current (power) from the grid. Lenz Law. OK.

Now when a current flows through the coil of a solenoid and then it is suddenly switched off, the back EMF generates high voltage in that coil. Hence the coil of a solenoid has typically a Flywheel Diode connected to it in order to suppress that high voltage. OK.

First question: What happens to the energy that warms up the flywheel diode because of that current going through the diode when there is no diode? Just a high voltage spike does not warm up anything, doesn't it?

Second question: What could happen when the suppression of that high voltage spike is done by short-circuiting a second coil on the same magnetic core? That means, we disconnect the primary coil from the current source, then the magnetic field starts to collapse and wants to generate high voltage in both coils. But before that can happen we short-circuit the secondary coil (perhaps by connecting a load to it), not the primary coil. In this case what is the direction of the current and what is the direction of the magnetic field?

I'm asking this because of that strange statement in the Barbosa patent:

When the power switch is open, the current in the first coil will your given maximum value to zero, the corresponding field decreases. The flux of the magnetic field in the second coil also decreases, so that the induced current is now an opposite direction. This direction is such that the field causes the induced current is added to that, that is, has a south pole faced the north pole of that field

Thus, there is a realization of the principle of conservation of energy, expressed in Lenz's law, wherein any induced current has an effect which opposes the cause that produced it.

Assuming that the induced current acts to favor the variation of the magnetic flux that produced the magnetic field of the coil would have a south pole confronting north pole of the magnet approaches, causing the magnet to be attracted towards the coil.

To me that sound like a current amplifier. In other words: When we draw current from the secondary coil of a transformer just at that moment when the primary coil is not connected to the current source then what about Lenz Law? Is it still valid?

And wouldn't that be a nice job for two thyristors (or transistors)? One connects the primary coil of a transformer to a current source, the other one connects the secondary coil of that transformer to the load. Not at the same time, but with a toggle frequency of 50Hz so an ordinary iron core transformer would be most suitable for this. Since a thyristor shuts itself off at zero current, we only have to take care of the trigger timing in order to switch the thyristor on.

Hence not back to Melnicheko but back to Barbosa, I think.

And that's one of my experimenting thyristors in size comparison with a 9V battery. It is a SKT16/12E rated at 1200V, 40A max., hence no problem to run a load of 5KW with it (just have to find that 5KW somewhere first).

[Farmhand]

But the electrons in a wire are moving. So could a magnetic field deflect electrons from ground into an electric circuit?

I still don't get it! When a transformer's primary coil is connected to the grid and the secondary coil is shorted, what happens? It draws more current (power) from the grid. Lenz Law. OK.

Now when a current flows through the coil of a solenoid and then it is suddenly switched off, the back EMF generates high voltage in that coil. Hence the coil of a solenoid has typically a Flywheel Diode connected to it in order to suppress that high voltage. OK.

First question: What happens to the energy that warms up the flywheel diode because of that current going through the diode when there is no diode? Just a high voltage spike does not warm up anything, doesn't it?

Second question: What could happen when the suppression of that high voltage spike is done by short-circuiting a second coil on the same magnetic core? That means, we disconnect the primary coil from the current source, then the magnetic field starts to collapse and wants to generate high voltage in both coils. But before that can happen we short-circuit the secondary coil (perhaps by connecting a load to it), not the primary coil. In this case what is the direction of the current and what is the direction of the magnetic field?

I'm asking this because of that strange statement in the Barbosa patent:

To me that sound like a current amplifier. In other words: When we draw current from the secondary coil of a transformer just at that moment when the primary coil is not connected to the current source then what about Lenz Law? Is it still valid?

And wouldn't that be a nice job for two thyristors (or transistors)? One connects the primary coil of a transformer to a current source, the other one connects the secondary coil of that transformer to the load. Not at the same time, but with a toggle frequency of 50Hz so an ordinary iron core transformer would be most suitable for this. Since a thyristor shuts itself off at zero current, we only have to take care of the trigger timing in order to switch the thyristor on.

Hence not back to Melnicheko but back to Barbosa, I think.

And that's one of my experimenting thyristors in size comparison with a 9V battery. It is a SKT16/12E rated at 1200V, 40A max., hence no problem to run a load of 5KW with it (just have to find that 5KW somewhere first).

Hi Zeitmaschine, I did experiment with the setup just two days ago, and made some observations. When the "shorted" coil is shorted a huge current flows in the coil and the input goes up ( the power consumed is only the power dissipated by the current through the resistance and other losses ect.), the electrons themselves do not move much at all, the actual current is the flow of charge. Anyway I measured over 35 Amps with a piece of 10 amp auto wire at way less than grid voltage (used a variac), by winding a few turns around a toroid transformer. I then tried just wrapping the Earth wire around the shorted wire and also tried connecting the shorted wire to ground by a capacitor ( I did not try connecting a grid line to the shorted wire ). In both cases I could measure a large voltage between the shorted wire and the active line of the grid, being that the shorted wire was coupled to ground that is not surprising. However I seen no way to get power out without paying for it.

A huge current can be measured (in the shorted coil without increasing power input much) and a large voltage can be measured (grid). Also a load can be powered through it from the grid, but it will be paid for.

The thing is a fire risk in my opinion. Permanently shorting a high power transformer winding is madness in my opinion, but if kept under control it can be demonstrated.

I can set it back up and show some things. Show some voltages and currents, input details ect.

Cheers

P.S. I don't think it draws more power due to Lenz's Law, I think it draws more power due to Ohms law/power dissipation. Without the effect of Lenz the input would go nut's. And there would be a failure or fire of some kind.

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2nd P.S. I also have an inline safety switch, so any discrepancy in current between the grid lines L<>N over 30 mA will shut off the power.  Earth return not possible then. It's very dangerous.

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[elementSix]

You are wrong. You might as well say that gravity motors have a principle of operation that only needs negative-friction bearings in order to work, or that flying pigs have a principle of operation that only needs them to be born with wings.

This "sort of device" has never been shown to work, not even "very slowly". The drawing, which claims that it will work, is a well-known lie. No amount of "factory grade precision" can ever make it work as claimed.

A "principle" that is fictitious and contrary to natural laws might be included in a drawing -- you see that every day on this forum. That is very different from showing that it will work.

I'd have to disagree with you on that one.  This video link is to an awesome torque magnet motor.  It starts instanly when the rod holding it still is removed and shown totally taken apart.  He made a great demo and I have to say there is no doubt this device works as shown...  Also the Japs made a magnet motor than moves like the cam on a gas engine.  I don't have the link, but its on the tube.  I think they worked for Mitsubishi or honda.. not sure

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHW6b1aFPfU

[verpies]

know somebody how deep penetration current on HF in (wire) different materials like copper, wolfram, and etc. thanks for answer

I'd need to know the frequency to be able to answer that question.

[TinselKoala]

I'd have to disagree with you on that one.  This video link is to an awesome torque magnet motor.  It starts instanly when the rod holding it still is removed and shown totally taken apart.  He made a great demo and I have to say there is no doubt this device works as shown...  Also the Japs made a magnet motor than moves like the cam on a gas engine.  I don't have the link, but its on the tube.  I think they worked for Mitsubishi or honda.. not sure

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHW6b1aFPfU

Yildiz! You can't possibly be serious. Yildiz has been soundly discredited. Not even Sterling Allan believes in Yildiz any more. His last demonstration, that Sterling attended was a miserable farce. Read all about it on PESN -- read about the tiny torque actually produced, the excuses, the lack of proper measurements, all the rest of it.
Actually Sterling's visit to see Yildiz was pretty much the start of Sterling's steep slide downhill.