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Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER

Started by shimondoodkin, July 24, 2009, 11:33:44 PM

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teslaalset

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June 05, 2010, 06:34:00 AM
Quote from: Sprocket on June 04, 2010, 08:05:34 PM
I have a question - the patent states that flux always takes the path of least reluctance and cites that doubling the area of the secondary core material will result in it being half the reluctance of the primary.  Assuming the same core material throughout, will this simple doubling of the secondary's area result in ALL secondary BEMF flux being routed through it, or just a greater proportion of the overall flux?  If yes, then why bother with 'exotic' core materials!

This certainly seems one of the easiest OU areas to prove/disprove.  The 3000% efficiency of the prototype suggests that any old core material, appropriately sized, should show >1 COP...

In principle this is correct.
This would be a good starting point to investigate the patent and phenomenon.

Bruce_TPU

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June 05, 2010, 11:32:03 AM
Quote from: teslaalset on June 05, 2010, 06:34:00 AM
In principle this is correct.
This would be a good starting point to investigate the patent and phenomenon.

Exactly!  What I am thinking is a toroid of low reluctance with two secondary coils wound opposite one another.  Next, a second toroid, cut in half with both ends touching the metal of toroid with the secondaries, NO air gap.  This half of a toroid would have a higher reluctance.  This half a toroid would have a primary coil wound on it.  I do not see it having to be some huge build, to test the principle.  We are not looking for 3000% increase in energy, just a COP >1 to start would be nice!!

Cheers,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

teslaalset

#12
June 05, 2010, 11:57:49 AM
Blue one is half a Ferrite toroid, black one is a whole MetGlas toroid.

The original idea came from Paul Lawrence.
He calls it his HUE device.
His blog: http://globalfreeenergy.info/

Below picture represents my own build, under investigation right now.
There is another winding on the other side of the MetGlas core.

Bruce_TPU

#13
June 05, 2010, 12:20:30 PM
Quote from: teslaalset on June 05, 2010, 11:57:49 AM
Blue one is half a Ferrite toroid, black one is a whole MetGlas toroid.

The original idea came from Paul Lawrence.
He calls it his HUE device.
His blog: http://globalfreeenergy.info/

Below picture represents my own build, under investigation right now.
There is another winding on the other side of the MetGlas core.

What is the reluctance of each of your two pieces? 

To me this is the Thane Patent!  I see PL's work on this.  I think Thanes route (if true) is much more power out or a greater COP.  But PL's work is very good.  I think I like the Thane patent description of what is going on, better though.  If it is indeed the same effect.
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

teslaalset

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June 05, 2010, 12:36:40 PM
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on June 05, 2010, 12:20:30 PM
What is the reluctance of each of your two pieces? 

To me this is the Thane Patent!  I see PL's work on this.  I think Thanes route (if true) is much more power out or a greater COP.  But PL's work is very good.  I think I like the Thane patent description of what is going on, better though.  If it is indeed the same effect.

Bruce,
I don't know the reluctance values. I do know the max. mhu values.
Mhu and reluctance are inverse related. It's explained in Thanes patent.
The mhumax of the ferrite is 4300
The mhumax of the MetGlas is 1000000.

As can be read in PL his blog, I've referred to Thane Heins before.
According to Paul his HUE is different from Thane with respect to his aimed energy salvage. Paul is pulsing the device while Thane seems to use sinusoidal input.

I've indicated earlier in this thread, it is far more complex to operate this example according to Thanes patent text.
A small hint:
The mhu value can be found by looking at the B-H curves of core materials, as the B relates to H as :

B = mhu * H

The highest mhu values occur only at certain current values
(the steepest vertical areas of the B-H curves, current and H are liniar related)
 
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