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Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER

Started by shimondoodkin, July 24, 2009, 11:33:44 PM

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wattsup

Quote from: teslaalset on October 30, 2010, 03:47:29 AM
@Wattsup,
A diode capacitor might work in a milliwatt setup, but here we are talking Watts, so you would need a real BIG capacitor to measure AC output power in a reasonable amount of time.

@teslaalset

You already have the watts with the bulb readings. Any capacitor like a 250v 30 to 60mF with a diode will let you see how high the voltage can actually rise off S2 very quickly with no danger at all.

CRANKYpants

Quote from: wattsup on October 28, 2010, 07:28:59 PM@TH I do acknowledge that in your last video you kindly placed some pick-up winds per three core directions and have shown rising and falling voltage pick-up although we can also say the actual voltage levels are not a true quantification of the flux movement but they just show that there is flux there, and it is moving or being modified as per your secondary coil connection variations.

IF ONE KNOWS HOW TO INTERPRET THE VOTAGE LEVELS â€" THEN WE CAN SEE THAT THEY DO INDEED SHOW FLUX MAGNITUDE VARIATIONS INSIDE THE CORES

THERE ARE ONLY TWO THINGS HAPPENING IN THE BiTT FROM NO LOAD TO ON LOAD.

1.   NO LOAD, THE PRIMARY IS INDUCING FLUX INTO THE BiTT PRIMARY (P) AND SECONDARY INNER (SI) CORES. 
NO LOAD REPRESENTS THE BASELINE MINIMUM FLUX BASED ON THE PRIMARY INPUT VOLTAGE.

2.   ON LOAD, THE SECONDARY COILS INDUCE THEIR OWN BEMF FLUX INTO THE CORES AND THERE IS ONLY AN INCREASE IN FLUX IN THE CORES AND THERE CAN NEVER EVER BE A DECREASE IN CORE FLUX.  ONLY AN INCREASE.

THE ONLY WAY TO DECREASE THE BiTT CORE FLUX MAGNITUDES IS TO LOWER THE PRIMARY INPUT.

WHEN THE SCIENTIFIC COMUNITY FINALLY GETS THEIR HEADS OUT OF THEIR BUTTS THEY WILL REALIZE THAT EVERY SINGLE WIRE THAT CONDUCTS ELECTRICITY IS VIOLATING THE LAW OF CONSERVATION OF ENERGY BY “CREATING” NEW ENERGY IN THE FORM OF A MAGNETIC FIELD AROUND THE WIRE.

THE ENERGY CONTAINED IN THE ELECTRICITY FLOWING IN A WIRE HAS TWO COMPONENTS, 1) THE ELECTRIC POTENTIAL ENERGY AND 2) THE MAGNETIC POTENTIAL ENERGY. BRAIN WASHED CONVENTIONAL SCIENTISTS ONLY ACCOUNT FOR THE ELECTRICAL ENERGY AND DON’T EVEN CONSIDER THE MAGNETIC POTENTIAL ENERGY OR HOW IT IS MAGICALLY CREATED!

THIS MAGNETIC FIELD AS WE ALL KNOW IS THE BASIS FOR LENZ’S LAW OR HOW NEWTON’S THIRD LAW IS MANIFESTED IN AN ELECTRICAL ENERGY SYSTEM WHICH SATISFIES THE BRAIN BLIND CONVENTIONAL SCIENTIST’S EXCUSE FOR NOT THINKING UNLESS THE ELECTRICAL AND MAGNETIC ENERGY POTENTIALS ARE LOOKED AT FROM A PURELY NON-DIRECTIONAL VIEW - JUST AS PURE ENERGY POTENTIAL.   

IF WE DID WE WOULD SEE THAT A MAGIC MAGNET FIELD ENERGY IS “CREATED” WHEN ELECTRICAL ENERGY FLOWS IN A CONDUCTOR AND THE MAGNETIC POTENTIAL ENERGY IS EQUAL TO THE ELECTRIC POTENTIAL ENERGY (WHICH IS THE ONLY ENERGY WE “DARE TO” MEASURE).
THE SENSOR COILS ON THE BiTT PROVE THE ABOVE HERE IS WHY.

QuoteThe bulb load is on Secondary S2. The applied energy to the primary was not identified verbally but once the scope showed the rising waveforms, I could see on the input ammeter located above the scope was reading an average of 6.1 amps and the input voltmeter was reading around 33.65 volts coming from your step down transformer which gave a good humm as well, and this while the bulb was loaded onto S2.

CORRECTION: THE INPUT CURRENT WAS 0.61 AMPS NOT 6.1 AMPS.

QuoteSecondary S1 is left open. When you applied the above indicated power level to the primary the energy transfer to S2 is 9.87 volts at 0.83 amps.
Let's look at each test stage thereafter.
1) Then at no load on both secondaries, you showed the pick-up coils were showing as follows.
P = 0.742 volts
S1 = 0.390 volts
S0 = 0.008 volts

YES THESE ARE THE BASELINE MINIMUM FLUX POTENTIALS CONVERTED TO VOLTS INSIDE THE VOLTMETER.

Quote2) You then put S1 on load I imagine by shorting the coil ends together and the pick-up coils were showing as follows.
CORRECTION: S1 IS PLACE ON LOAD (LIGHT BULB) AND S2 IS OPEN.

QuoteP = 0.741 volts
S1 = 0.059 volts
THIS REPRESENTS A 561% INCREASE IN SI FLUX.

QuoteS0 = 0.078 volts

THIS IS AN 875 % INCREASE IN S0 FLUX.

Quote3) You then put S1 off load and S2 back on load and the pick-up coils were showing as follows.
P = 0.733 volts
S1 = 0.687 volts
INCREASE 76% FLUX INCREASE.

QuoteS0 = 0.089 volts
A 1013 % FLUX INCREASE.

Quote4) You then put both S1 and S2 on load and the pick-up coils were showing as follows.
P = 0.693 volts
A 6.6 % INCREASE IN SECONDARY INDUCED FLUX COUPLING BACK THROUGH THE PRIMARY â€" LOWERING PRIMARY IMPEDANCE AND CAUSING THE PRIMARY TO DRAW MORE SOURCE CURRENT AS PER A CONVENTIONAL TRANSFORMER.

QuoteS1 = 0.330 volts
TO BALANCE S1’s 561% INCREASE IN SI FLUX FROM #2 ABOVE WOULD REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL 561% INCREASE IN FLUX COMINGS2 FOR A TOTAL OF 1100% INCREASE IN SI FLUX OVER NO LOAD BASELINE.

QuoteS0 = 0.008 volts
LIKEWISE A TOTAL INCREASE IN S0 FLUX OF ABOUT 2000% IS REQUIRED TO BALANCE THE FLUX INSIDE THE VOLTMETER SO THAT THE FLUX GOING ONE WAY EQUALS THE FLUX GOING THE OTHER WAY SO THE NET FLUX CHANGE = ZERO.

SO THE TOTAL INCREASE IN FLUX INSIDE THE BiTT FROM NO LOAD TO ON LOAD IS ABOUT 3000% WHICH IS REQUIRED TO SELF REGULATE THE SECONDARY FLUX LAVELS TO MAINTAIN THE LOAD VOLTAGE WITH A MERE 6.6% GOING BACK THROUGH THE PRIMARY RATHER THAN THE 100% AS PER A CONVENTIONAL TRANSFORMER. 

QuoteOK, so what this tells me may be somewhat different then what you are indicating.

NO CLARIFICATION IS JUST REQUIRED AS USUAL.

QuoteThis is why in Test 4 when both coils are energized, each half of the secondaries over the outer core are cancelling themselves. Sounds complicated I know.

I TELL YOU THIS â€" THE PERSON WHO CAN DEVISE A WAY TO USE ONE MAGNETIC FIELD TO CANCEL ANOTHER WILL BE THE MOST FAMOUS PERSON EVER BECAUSE NOW THIS FLUX CANCELLATION METHOD COULD BE USED TO ELIMINATE LENZ’S LAW IN GENERATORS AND THE HARMFULL EFFECTS OF CELLPHONES ETC.

QuoteThe cancellation or manipulation of this flux movement is similar to what we have seen in the MEG device and other similar devices,
CORRECTION: YOUR EYES/MINDS ARE PLAYING TRICKS ON YOU ALL BECAUSE FLUX CANCELLATION IS NOT POSSIBLE (AT THIS TIME).

QuoteOf course, this post will self-destruct in 5 seconds and should you or any of your devices be caught by the enemy, we will disavow all knowledge of your activities. Good luck in your mission.

IGNORANCE IS OUR ONLY ENERMY.

CHEERS
T

wattsup

@TH

Thanks for your reply. Nothing in what I indicated is written in stone. I only wanted to put some things on the table for your comments. I put it in a way that "I" can understand and I am sure many others can get a better grasp of your BITT device "as you see it" or "know it to be".

From experience, there is no point to drag anyone or any concept holder to the ground. In all this, there is a great degree of both concept building and presumption of effects. Yes you can measure an effect but in many ways, we are constantly presuming what the effect is due to. Someone once said "we can only achieve or attain our maximum degree of ineptitude" and in a way, we are all trying to surpass our own personal levels every day. That is why we are here. To learn.

So, regarding electricity travel, reason for wire flux build up and all such more conventional notions that we hold today as common acceptance, yes they are all up for debate. I have some pretty radical but perfectly plausible ideas of what this all is and given the right time and platform, I will put them forth for the classical firing squad to shoot away at, but this is not the place for such discussion so let's just keep to the device.

OK, so you indicated "THE INPUT CURRENT WAS 0.61 AMPS NOT 6.1 AMPS". OK, now I am totally floored for having missed that but that decimal point was pretty hard to see and there was no verbal confirmation on that so please excuse this major bacon fry'in error. Floored is not the word. Jaw dropped and flabbergasted would be more proper as I do realize the implications. I had held back another post because that 6.1 amps just did not correlate but did not know how to explain it. Now I understand.

As far as flux cancellation not being possible, yes you are very right and I should have only indicated flux manipulation. Sorry for that. Playing around with flux paths is not an easy task and even harder to grasp as a general concept. Especially with an AC feed switching the flux around all those paths. The thing about flux is it has no sex, no polarity, it is just pure energy that induces a polarities in a coil. That is why a compass next to a transformer core does almost nothing. There is no positive and negative flux. The cancellation can only happen in the coil, in terms of the coils output, if the coil has two flux paths traveling in opposite directions. But those flux paths do not cancel each other out.

I am very glad to at least have a chance to see more where you are coming from with this device and hopefully it will open some more eyes in this regard.

Now the only thing left is to back up a few steps and re-explain the many percentages you have indicated as I do know in advance that it will create some major commotion as to how you see this being calculated. Again, let me stipulate that I am not discounting those numbers but just want, and I am sure others want, to better understand you methodology.

Put it this way. Since I am a good example of a numskull on OU wheels, I now how others in the same boat will react to your numbers and am giving you a good platform and tabling method to put some more clarity into those numbers.

So please, let's just all calm down, take a few steps back and not risk blowing this all apart with irrational explosions of dismay. Let's keep the task of understanding this further, with your help of course.

I'll only be back tomorrow as I will be jamming all night with some long-time friends. We do this once or twice a year. Soon.

CRANKYpants

"From experience, there is no point to drag anyone or any concept holder to the ground."  :P

kippered

@ Cranky (or anyone else if I have missed something...)

I am working on a replication of the BTT and before I start winding my coils I wanted to clarify something.

On the schematic it shows the primary as 1000 turns and the secondary as 200 turns, both 20 gauge wire (5:1 ratio)

- Would that be 200 turns each secondary, or total?
- Is this still your recommended ratio, or should I try something else?

Thank you, this is allot of fun to work on  ;D