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Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts

Started by xenomorphlabs, July 25, 2009, 08:00:09 PM

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Peterae

Hi xeno
Yes i will be using one of those spark arresters now.

I am now going for as accurate measurements as possible to try and work out the relationship between primary and secondary windings.
I am in the process of making a second secondary using 16swg wire and an exact 3 inch former to wind onto and will this time measure the wire to the mm, once my meter arrives from china will be able to measure the inductance down to 0.1uH and also the caps down to 0.1pf.

Once i have this i can try winding a primary and see where a quarter length fits in with 20 turns or 40 turns, i suspect it will be a quarter of the 20 turns including flying leads on the primary as 40 turns is a lot of wire to match.

Once i have the inductance values i can see what 0.2 on the primary and 0.5 on the secondary compute at, which hopefully will allow us to get an idea of what he was tuning for.

I cannot read the manufacturer name on the diodes although i could read a number, the brand looked like Yarg to me but when googled didn't come up with anything of use, i am amazed he said they came out of a tv, must be an old tv as i have worked on most tv's from the 70's to 90's and never seen these.

You say they are Hewlett Packard ?

The old black & white TV's used long diodes called stick rectifiers but they didn't have wire leads they plugged in.


Peter

Yucca

Quote from: xenomorphlabs on September 03, 2009, 09:31:11 AM
if that could be simulated it would help understand the physical processes, but unfortunately it cant (except if you are a SPICE genius).

Hi xeno,

I agree to bring components into harmony spice is quicker and easier than winding and building and iterating etc. there's a guy on this forum called poynt99 who IS a spice genius.

As far as duplicating OU in Spice, you are right, a true genius would be required: by default it considers only that within the system, every component is a closed system with defined input and output nodes. RF simulations require extra more difficult modelling where circuit traces are also considered to have L and C elements.

I think if systems like Smiths do show OU then something else, unknown to us, will provide the potential to tap into it. In spice this something else would need to be modelled and entered in order to simulate it.

I think these devices may couple directly to large volumes of space and harvest some miniscule energy souce, but over a tremendous volume so the energy becomes appreciable. "Active antenna" is what I think may be the secret, use a small device to create a REALLY BIG dipole collection region occupying many billions of cubic meters and then simply rectify its output.

Peterae

I have worked with Poynt on some projects, and he has managed to simulate these, and i agree he is an absolute genious with regards to simulation and theory.
One thing i have learned from him is that it can take ages to even simulate a simple tuned coil setup.

I think the problem with this circuit regards simulation is that it has too many variables and way too complex to get the parameters correct.

and as Yucca just said it may not show the OU effect that we are hunting down.


xenomorphlabs

Well apart from the fact that Smith is an electrotechnical genius, he is also according to his own statements (which he nearly understates) able to simulate his circuits on a computer. He said that he doesnt even start to build something before he didnt run it through the computer. Sounds nearly unbelievable hehe. That must have been even pre-spice days. ;)

lobo