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Started by Grumpy, August 10, 2009, 09:48:27 AM

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BEP

Quote from: innovation_station on August 11, 2009, 12:07:17 PM
i can go on and on ....  if you like but my words fall on blind eyes .... and def ears ...

Not at all Bro! Some of your posts yank a knot in my tail. I keep thinking I'll get your former location by a news report about a black hole appearing somewhere in the burbs  :D

innovation_station

 ;D ;D

i guess it depends upon dirrection of spinn no ?

:D

yes i do know ...  if you make an eather spinner in the wrong way ... sure you will open a hole that will burn more than just your tpu ... but if it was done in the other dirrection would it not enfoce the earths feild ....   potencially solveing the uv thing the ozone layer sealing up the holes the in the ionphsere

and keeping the real bad ones out ...  sheeh ... it might even put the plannet back where it should be .... no ?

just rambles and babbles for now ...  ;) :D ;D 8)

me!  ;)
To understand the action of the local condenser E in fig.2 let a single discharge be first considered. the discharge has 2 paths offered~~ one to the condenser E the other through the part L of the working circuit C. The part L  however  by virtue of its self induction  offers a strong opposition to such a sudden discharge  wile the condenser on the other hand offers no such opposition ......TESLA..

THE !STORE IS UP AND RUNNING ...  WE ARE TAKEING ORDERS ..  NOW ..   ISTEAM.CA   AND WE CAN AND WILL BUILD CUSTOM COILS ...  OF   LARGER  OUTPUT ...

CAN YOU SAY GOOD BYE TO YESTERDAY?!?!?!?!

forest

I remember that SM said that TPU is nothing like all other claimed OU devices except maybe Hendershot device. Is that correct ? That would be of great help if I can find if that was really said...

rotaryfcg

Quote from: BEP on August 11, 2009, 10:56:22 AM
Yes. I think you also know I don't usually bring it up as it can start fires  :)

There is no doubt there is a third field (I still doubt 'field' is a proper description as 'field' is only a measurement of something, not that 'something' itself).

Folks always speak in terms of straight line movement. There is no such thing. When I mentioned 'charge' above I'm speaking of two things. Charge is normally thought of as a difference in potential. It is but it is also the spin of that potential. I think this is why a static charge can move a compass needle.

There will be no magnetic field unless charge has movement. Movement cannot happen without time.

If we want to create a usable current flow in a conductor we need to really understand things like induction. I don't believe the common book description is correct as the base theory uses itself to prove itself.

An EM wave is shown as two fields perpendicular to one another, magnetic and electric. Both are depicted and thought of as sinusoidal lines.  This wave isn't the lines. It is what is between the lines. If you can think of it this way you can see an EM sine wave is - at its base - a series of compressions and decompressions. When you have two perpendicular fields you will have angular momentum. It is well known in radio propagation that a transmitted signal always rotates.

So does current flow in a wire and the magnetic field around that wire.

There would be no rotation without a third field. Call it what you want.

There are three basic fields in nature, which manifest mathematically as gradient, divergence and curl, or; tempic, electric and magnetic.

When you understand this you should have a real understanding of why the speed of light can be varied just by the mass it travels. Lately, to the point of taking several minutes to transverse a few feet of crystal. The speed of light is constant. The overall tempic is not constant to the traveler. Only the local tempic is constant to the traveler.

We also need to understand the difference between particle velocity and group velocity. After all, the group velocity of a charge or magnetic field change can do the same as change of velocity of a charge or magnetic field.

Then you get into so-called 'left-handed' actions. This is nothing more than the group velocity being the reverse of particle or wave velocity. You have seen it when watching a fan turn. At some point the blades appear to run backwards. That is negative group velocity. Group velocity can also be far more than velocity of a particle or wave.

So there you have it. Drift current is incredibly slow. It can be mm per second while the force can be seen almost instantaneously at the other end of the wire. This is line charge.
You also have surface charge (skin-effect) and spatial charge (dielectric charge). Of the three the latter is the biggest speed demon. It will not be deterred by a magnetic field as easily as the other two.

This leads into the 'cancellation' thoughts. Total cancellation of a magnetic field is not possible, or is it? If it is then the total absence of a magnetic field means that space must be filled with spatial charge. Parametric pump perhaps?

So, yes. We need to go back to basics. But we must understand what those are.

My comments are not derailments of thought. To me it is just the way it is. The interaction of fields is the ultimate answer.

We also need to stop thinking in linear terms. A toroid is not a straight line. Circumference requires the use of pi in the math. If you want pulses on the control coils to meet those on the collectors you must use pi or they will never meet.

Sorry about the big wind. Must be the coffee  ;D

P.S.

I see we are back to basics  :D Insults, name calling, etc. It is good to see things are going back to normal  ::)

one of the most valuable posts here.

forest

"This leads into the 'cancellation' thoughts. Total cancellation of a magnetic field is not possible, or is it? If it is then the total absence of a magnetic field means that space must be filled with spatial charge. Parametric pump perhaps?"

GIVE ME AN ANSWER PLEASE! How to cancel magnetic field ?
Can two magnetic field coexists in the same space or they interact each other pushing or attracting ? This IS the key to Free Energy