Animal cruelty, better be a vegetarian !

[Nabo00o]

please explain how i am off topic. i am offering a different opinion than yours...whaaa

Your many remarks to utilitarian about his "face in the ass" problem and "foot in the mouth"  Not very constructive or positive I'd say. But forget that....

you have no idea how i think. to suggest you do is asinine. i am not a materialist and 'truth' depends greatly on your point of view...

Ok, then I am sorry to have falsely judged you, but you remind me of my older brother's way of looking at life and he is a materialist, or something around that.

between depriving a man/animal or plant of one hour from its life and depriving it of its life there exists only a difference of degree.

Okey I figured it out, you're religious! Well this is a prime example of the typical Christian thinking and nativity, to believe that anything so horrid and evil can be committed that it can be justified with eternal pain and suffering. Well you didn't say eternal pain but you said "depriving it of its life".
This can absolutely be seen as an eternal punishment if it where in fact true, that we die and can never experience life again. From that perspective there is no "degree" between taking one hour or year from you life and to take you life, indefinitely. This is like in mathematics when we use a parabolic or hyperbole shape, its ends will stretch out infinitely, giving you all eternity to walk  between them.

you have done violence to it, consumed its energy. elaborate euphemisms may conceal your intent to kill, but behind any use of power over another thing the ultimate assumption remains: "i feed on your energy."

I need food in order to survive, I am not denying that. What I am saying is that I want to do it in the most humane method which I as a human am able to, and which is also healthy. Giving potatos or bread to a tiger is not healthy, it would surely die, the same goes for many other carnivores.  Bears of many kinds can survive completely without meat if they have to, but they still want it. Humans are fully evolved to handle diets containing only plants. This is proved by all the many cultures which has not needed meat in order to survive.

you are aware that vegetarian dishes are not entirely vegetarian... vegetables, boiled or not, contain dead bacteria. not to mention that fruits and veggies are pretty much 'plant roe', and that's disgusting, eating the ripened ovaries. it's plant infanticide.

If you honestly think that this is so disgusting which I think you don't, then compeer that to what is required in order feed you with your weekly consumption of meat.  To feed a cow through its life, accounting for all the energy losses because of its heat production and movement, you would need many times more kg of plants in order to create that kg of meat which you consumes. I cannot take your lack of reason in any other way than that you 'don't want to understand'.

But I know its like this. Even though it all points to this fact, even though it is obvious, you like so many others are not yet willing to accept it because it doesn't fit your lifestyle. It is not about compassion or a guilty feeling for the plants, it is because you don't want to. Period.

Lastly:

was it defeat to choose a 'lesser evil'?

I chose my path because I can understand it. True empathy is not sentimentality, it is in the way our knowledge will take form, but I am not saying that I know it all, I am just on the path.

I still wish you well Wilby,
Julian

[WilbyInebriated]

Your many remarks to utilitarian about his "face in the ass" problem and "foot in the mouth"  Not very constructive or positive I'd say. But forget that....
Ok, then I am sorry to have falsely judged you, but you remind me of my older brother's way of looking at life and he is a materialist, or something around that.


Okey I figured it out, you're religious! Well this is a prime example of the typical Christian thinking and nativity, to believe that anything so horrid and evil can be committed that it can be justified with eternal pain and suffering. Well you didn't say eternal pain but you said "depriving it of its life".
This can absolutely be seen as an eternal punishment if it where in fact true, that we die and can never experience life again. From that perspective there is no "degree" between taking one hour or year from you life and to take you life, indefinitely. This is like in mathematics when we use a parabolic or hyperbole shape, its ends will stretch out infinitely, giving you all eternity to walk  between them.
I need food in order to survive, I am not denying that. What I am saying is that I want to do it in the most humane method which I as a human am able to, and which is also healthy. Giving potatos or bread to a tiger is not healthy, it would surely die, the same goes for many other carnivores.  Bears of many kinds can survive completely without meat if they have to, but they still want it. Humans are fully evolved to handle diets containing only plants. This is proved by all the many cultures which has not needed meat in order to survive.
If you honestly think that this is so disgusting which I think you don't, then compeer that to what is required in order feed you with your weekly consumption of meat.  To feed a cow through its life, accounting for all the energy losses because of its heat production and movement, you would need many times more kg of plants in order to create that kg of meat which you consumes. I cannot take your lack of reason in any other way than that you 'don't want to understand'.

But I know its like this. Even though it all points to this fact, even though it is obvious, you like so many others are not yet willing to accept it because it doesn't fit your lifestyle. It is not about compassion or a guilty feeling for the plants, it is because you don't want to. Period.

Lastly: 
I chose my path because I can understand it. True empathy is not sentimentality, it is in the way our knowledge will take form, but I am not saying that I know it all, I am just on the path.

I still wish you well Wilby,
Julian

his foot is in his mouth, and his head is up his anus. sorry to not sugar coat it.

mea culpa accepted.

wrong again. did you 'reason' this from my earlier statement that there is no god? if i were religious i would be a member of the church of the FSM.

we all need sustenance to survive. we all must kill to get it. you take offense to fuzzy things with big brown eyes being killed and i take offense to the flora being killed.

you're correct i don't. it was meant to make you look at plants (and eating them) from a different perspective. and the plight of the carrots was meant to make you look at how silly it sounds (the whining about killing of livestock). there is no lack of reason, i cannot take your refusal to comprehend that killing is killing in any other way than that you don't want to understand...

you realize that your eye sockets are evolved on the front of your skull so you can judge the distance between you and your prey (not a fruit or veggie) don't you? this is a trait of carnivores/omnivores. period. herbivores have eye sockets on the sides of their skulls, giving them a wider angle of vision to see the predators...

may your beard never grow shorter and my your shadow never diminish.

[Nabo00o]

End of conversation, I knew you wouldn't take on my questions.
Live your life and live it good, but don't fool yourself into believing that you can truly justify it, you can only talk your way from it.

Julian

[WilbyInebriated]

End of conversation, I knew you wouldn't take on my questions.
Live your life and live it good, but don't fool yourself into believing that you can truly justify it, you can only talk your way from it.

Julian

which questions? you didn't ask a question in that last post... typical.

if you believe certain words, you believe their hidden arguments. when you believe something is right or wrong, true or false, you believe the assumptions in the words which express the arguments. such assumptions are often full of holes(as yours are), but remain most precious to the convinced (as yours do).

[blueplanet]

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Also, the following video describes how organic or elemental mercury destroys neurons:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHqVDMr9ivo&NR=1