Stanley-Faraday difference

[radmag]

I started to work on Stanley's work.I have been reading about it for three days.I couldn't have a final thought.The problem is:

For example,we need 10 watts to separate H2 and O2 in Faraday electrolysis.With Stanley's method can we do the same work with 4 watts for example?

We separate with 10 watts with Faraday.Then we burn the hydrogen and we have water now.Do we have 10 watts because of this burn?
So if we separate in Stanley way that costs 4 watts,and we burn it that gives 10 watts,don't we have 6 watts?Isn't it overunity?

[markdansie]

no

[radmag]

no

Very helpful

[Cloxxki]

My simple understanding:
If you can get for 4J what Faraday took 10J, yet you still get the full 10J worth of burn, you do have 6J excess. Some or most of that, as heat.
However, you'll want to reserve another 4J for the next bubble to be produced. And your engine doesn't really put out 10J of useful electricity.
Less juicy (water) left for a car to be propelled.
Unless you get that 4J down to 2J, you're looking at one very small car with one very large bubble maker, moving along slowly on a tiny electric engine.

So, what kind of performance is needed to self-sustain a car, to operate on a tank full of water and a small start-up battery? Getting a more efficient engine to drive the electic enegine and bubbler, would be worth it to meet the bubbler researchers halfway.

[newbie123]

Faraday efficiency is only related to quantities of  electrons and volumes of gas...  Not really Joules, or voltage.. It's just "current efficiency".   

In a nutshell,  if two electrons enter a cell  through a conductor,  and propagate efficiently between electrodes.   You'll be left with 2H and O (gas).

If the electrons don't propagate efficiently through a cell, you might start with 2 electrons and end up with an unwanted chemical reaction (reformation of H2O) plus heat instead of gas generation...



Sometimes "over Faraday" production appears when a cell gets to hot (i.e. plasma electrolysis) and disassociation occurs from heat instead of current....


Stan Meyer claims to use "Voltage" to split H2O, but if you understand what voltage really is...  You'll see that he was confused...  And probably meant high Electric Fields, which can affect water and H2O bonding.