New invention of motion less generation of electric power

[FatChance!!!]

This is where you are wrong Ali.
The center point between two batteries in series is always 0V compared to +12V and -12V.
AC is nothing but positive and negative polarities shifting around a center point.
If you don't get this then I seriously doubt you have reached any overunity in your device.

[jan.kolar]

Ali found out that his first concept is leading nowhere so he is trying to distract our attention from genie to some other "amazing" invention. Ali, why dont you close loop of your genie device i.e. use some portion of output energy to feed the input? You dont bother what others say because you have no arguments for them. Without critical thinking modern science could not achieve such extraordinary things like it did. But when someone uncritical admire comes you treat him in religious-style ("thank you brother" and so on). Sorry but this is my impression i would be glad if i am wrong.

Ali said: "this is a new unit please do not mix this with genie"
If you have found some new principle that could be used for energy generation then this should go to the new thread. Stefan can you give your opinion?

[hartiberlin]

This is where you are wrong Ali.
The center point between two batteries in series is always 0V compared to +12V and -12V.
AC is nothing but positive and negative polarities shifting around a center point.
If you don't get this then I seriously doubt you have reached any overunity in your device.

Yes,you are right,
that is what I meant.
The centerpoint is 0 Volt and then you have
+12V and -12V.

That should be okay to design a working unit.

Otherwise Ali could already have used a 12 Volts DCto 240 Volts AC inverter-converter
and used this as his input and use at the output a 240 Volts AC to 12 Volts DC power supply.

If there really is this high gain, what he claims, then this would already run selflooped...

Ali, why don´t you try to show us such a setup ?

[winsonali]

i am sure other have more knowledge then me over here
so i am trying to understand what they are saying the below figure may be explaining some reference points
changing the polarities of a DC battery we cannot change the zero reference and they cannot go below zero.   


magnets and current produce through magnets have capability to generate below zero reference
transformers use electro magnetic waves , generators use electro magnetic waves
i have expanded my area of research in this new realm

[wattsup]

What the hell are you guys talking about. Since when is a center of two series batteries a zero point. Maybe in your dreams. If DC was so alike AC then Tesla would have been out of business since day one. In AC both outputs fall to zero at the same time, then go back up to maximum on the reverse side and so on. There is no positive and negative. lol

@winsonali

Maybe consider using a 12vdc battery running an inverter to supply your Genie. Anything to get off the regular grid will enable you to have a specific point of reference compared to your output, without having to use a watt meter, looking at a counter turning and then counting seconds, etc. That's not a good way.

But are you absolutely sure that you cannot just tap into your Genie circuit directly where the DC is required and simply use a battery bank?

Added;

Regarding measurements, the following is a good guideline. It is a long read but it is full of information that may be useful to you at this critical stage.

http://nzdl.sadl.uleth.ca/cgi-bin/library.cgi?e=d-00000-00---off-0hdl--00-0----0-10-0---0---0direct-10---4-------0-1l--11-en-50---20-about---00-0-1-00-0-0-11-1-0utfZz-8-00&a=d&cl=CL3.41&d=HASH86f8f67512ed24374cd21f.24