Bedini SSG - self sustaining

[teslaalset]

Oh I see. If that's the case, YES the wheel vibrates very tinily during the pulses, so all 6 coils will have that B-H curve affected as you say (aka Steorn??).

Yes, this is the exact reason, resemblance with Steorn.
I'll try to explain my understanding later this weekend, tonight I am not at home, I need to access some graphs I made earlier.

I am very sure that the battery is extremely important element because replacing with CAPs (no matter how small or big they are and voltages) the difference is simply too dramatic and negative.

Interesting finding and good to know.

[teslaalset]

Fausto,

Would be very interesting to see what your results are when you fixate the rotor relative to the coils.
When you're done with your planned experiments, would you care to run such a charge run to see whether this indeed has impact?

[plengo]

if you mean making the rotor non-movable not even to the tiny bit, sure.

I will.

Fausto.

[nul-points]

My setup for this self-running is not easy to replicate and observe I would say. One must observe for days until noticed and understand the behavior of the battery.
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if the battery is fully chaged, it will go down a lot but there is a point where it stabilizes and there it goes up and down, and up and down. Stop for 8 hours and the voltage will rest at a point. Start the whole process again and keep giving rest to the battery (disconnect fully from the system) and the voltage will start resting at higher and higher levels.
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I added a switch that turns on/off every so often to do that rest for me.
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I noticed also that when the battery is very low in voltage it behaves the best in receiving the radiant energy.

hi Fausto

interesting results and reports!


i can add confirmation of these effects from my own investigation of capacitor and low-power pulsed inductor behaviour

from my own experience i think you may find that these 'interesting' battery states occur at regular voltage increments (particular to each battery?)


i first noticed the effect in capacitors whilst datalogging the anomalous low-level daily charge cycle on capacitors with a high-impedance load

i later saw and recognised the same behaviour when charging and discharging NiCd & NiMH batteries with my test circuits

here are a couple of example discharge graphs (battery & Capacitor) from the 'Secret Life of Capacitors' PDF which i produced recently containing the datalogging results

   PDF at:  ringcomps.co.uk/doc
   (PDF download link is at top of 'Latest' page, reached from side menu bar)

   OU.com thread at:  http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9393.msg247816#msg247816

my on-going investigations use very low-power pulse circuits to investigate the possibility of achieving a self-sustaining pulse circuit

i am seeing this same effect of the battery (and capacitor) sources reaching a voltage 'plateau' in their discharge voltage level which prolongs the supply to the circuit, without decrease of terminal voltage

my circuit is pulsing current (at approx 12Hz at present) thro' LEDs and a transformer primary and returning energy pulses to the battery (8.4V 150mAh NiMH/NiCd; very discharged)

the circuit provides its own pulse timing (using a relaxation oscillator) with a mark-space ratio of approx 1:1000 - this is intended to achieve that condition you describe as allowing the battery to 'rest' between loading


at present, however, i've noticed that although the terminal voltage is remaining fixed for days (or sometimes weeks, with flash rates < 1Hz) the actual pk-pk voltage of the drive pulses is very gradually decreasing

so at the moment it appears that what is happening is that yes, we can achieve a sustained (or sometimes increased) 'rest' terminal voltage on the source - *but* the energy draw also appears to effectively increase the internal impedance of the source with time

so the net effect is that the energy supplied from the source is decreasing , even though the terminal voltage appears static


these are still interesting effects - particularly the 'plateau' behaviour of (some?) batteries and capacitors, which i take to be the results of some Quantum energy level effect, common to both storage media


i'm pleased to see that someone else is seeing the same sort of effects and i look forward to hearing more about your results as your tests continue!

all the best
sandy

[plengo]

Very good response Sandy,

I am seeing exactly the same as you better described. Longer doing this more the total energy decreases although maintaining the voltage level (which some say the voltage means nothing concerning total energy in the system).

I am very interested in the effect itself and the "impression" that I can run for a long time once finding that particular balance on that "plateu" of the voltage and its current capacity of generating (by whatever means) the necessary energy back to sustain that plateu.

It is something to do with the spikes and the battery chemistry. I wonder if changing some form of the frequency of that spike and period of application of it would cause a trully self-sustaining (although zero energy battery) system.

What I care is a self-sustaining system irrelevant of meters confirm the level of energy or not. If it runs for a long, long, long time that is what I want.

Only than I will work on engineering a larger scale.

I knew your site somehow and good articles too.

Fausto.