Bedini SSG - self sustaining

[MasterPlaster]

In practice, what is the max frequency that this opto isolator  (4N33) can handle?

[Groundloop]

Fausto,

I have never tried using two hexfets as in your drawing, so I guess that the only way
to find out is to try it.

MasterPlaster,

The minimum switch time for the 4N35 is 10uSec.

Groundloop.

[plengo]

for lack or better knowledge and for simplicity here is my solution for the SPDP that I need. This works well since all the parameters of the  current design are not affected and it allows to continue using what I have with just two extra diodes.

Fausto.

[mscoffman]

Fausto wrote;

>Now, I know for a fact by experience and from Bedini's own words that
>you CAN NOT run an SSG with the battery that was charged by the SSG
>because it is charged with a different kind of energy, so if you switch the
>batteries long enough the overall voltages WILL go down.

Yeah, this is a real show stopper. It means that the Bedini Machine can not
use the whole energy that it stored in the back-end battery bank. There
may be ways of getting around some of this or maybe all of it.(delays,
shorting, etc), but that would require experimentation.

With other free energy devices, if the gain is about 3 times i.e. the output
= 3 or more times the input, then the device can support the inefficiency of
almost any power converter loss. But at a gain of three it is a too much to
expect from an unimproved original SGS.

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>That's is why on the Bedini's forums at Yahoo we do the load test which is
>basically measuring how much energy goes into the "front-end" of the SSG
>(conventional energy cost) and how much energy you can TAKE OUT
>from the "charged" or "back-end" batteries using also a conventional load
>test (a lamp or resistor cross the batteries terminals).

Hey, I too am a member of the Yahoo Bedini forum. I really like they way
they approach the construction of the machine scientifically. And I respect
you for what you have previously indicated you have accomplished. But
well, I don’t buy the cold electricity or radiant energy theories. I don’t post
there because of my heretical beliefs and they do not approve of discussion
of heretical ideas to keep their discussions collegial. Which is Ok with me.

What my method is trying to do was *balance* the input and output energy
rather than trying to measure it with instrumentation and calculations. First
form a “perpetual motion machine” which does the balancing and then have
a microprocessor switch in a resistor that rapidly but shallowly discharges
the back-end battery bank. Note the discharge time and then calculate
energy = (vmax-vmin)*watt(at average volts)*amount-of-time then add
this to an ever increasing total watt-seconds figure and send this to the
host PC to be archived. Battery capacity would be the primary goal target
value, then ten times battery capacity, then hundred times it,…and so on.

I now kind of wonder though about the value of their “ten-poler” machine.
Can it really be that much different then their one-poler besides its much
lower driving impedance? It seems like they are saying; “Well here is the
truth, but as usual we think that the magic comes back when you do it at a
higher power” (as well as much more expensive) approach.

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>We do not measure how much goes into the "back-end" battery.
>This way one can compare the input total energy against the
>outputED energy FROM the battery. In versus Out.

>Another thing that many fail to understand is that Bedini is not advocating
>his machines to be COP > 1, he is emphatically saying that the COP is IN
>the batteries.

I agree with all the above, but go somewhat further. Its difficult to get IN
exactly equal to OUT because of instrumentation errors if COP=1.

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>interesting idea but I could not understand very well the logical distribution
>of the batteries in this scheme. Can you please describe it again? I am
>willing to carry that test. I use the term "front-end" equals the "driving"
battery that runs the SSG and "back-end" >the "charging" battery.

Hopefully you can see that the physical interconnection could be done with
one *DPDT* relay per battery for each of six batteries. To connect any
battery to a front-end SGS buss vs. the SGS back-end buss without
interference between the two busses. Then the microcontroller rule would
keep only one battery on the front-end and the rest of the others would be
in parallel back-end bank.

Logically; If the batteries charged two different ways; Some charge would
then be due to the conventional power P=E*I of the signal and some charge
would be the batteries recharging themselves due to “data” on the signal
(pulses etc.). The first power signal would spread out among batteries
behaving according to standard COE, but the second form would be
*multiplied* by the number of back-end batteries in parallel. As
representative of the total energy available to the system.

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>Fausto.


Thanks Fausto;

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:S:MarkSCoffman

[plengo]

@mscoffman

Oh I see now. One bus on the front-end and one bus on the back-end. Than the microcontroller will  switch the relays, as one may program, to the front and back-end so that a number of batteries would be associated with the front-end and other batteries to the back-end. One could program to always have, for example, one battery only on the front and all the other 5 batteries on the back receiving the charge. Than later switch front-end battery back to the back-end and choose another back-end battery to now go to the front-end and do that in a round-robbing fashion.

Very good. I will try that. I really like the idea and believe it or not I NEVER had done really parallel batteries on the back-end and performed the load/charge test that the Bedini forum requires us to do. Sometimes we are so smart but sometimes we are soooo dumb. 

@All,

some udpates: my board is still not functioning (the one Groundloop sent me) but I am working on a new version with more switches (about 14 I think) so that I can do more experiments. It will also use PIC16F690 because I can real-time debug it using PicKit2 Express Debugger straight from the MPLAB IDE.

Groundloop is sending me his latest designed board with relays (wonderful).

And to complete the learning process, I am also en devouring myself into making a pc cooper board using my own design by myself at home (oh boy, I love the chemicals smells).

Fausto.