I see an economic diasater coming...

[onthecuttingedge2005]

ATT said:Yes, indeed.  Up to this point, I've never seen it happen in recorded history.

And, don't forget the fish.  Sea life is declining in many areas.  Some oceanic countries depend on fish.  I'm Scandinavian, and I know the sea was always important to my ancestors.
Then there's the Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, Spanish, Portuguese, South American, Carribean and Mediterranean countries.

--Lee

Do you have the natural decline numbers for these species in those areas of concern? it does make a difference. there is also natural selection numbers that are set apart from artificial decline(intervened by man). remember, suzy the T-Rex Dino that had cancer of the femor before mankind ever existed.

are we basing this on mankinds arrival?

some claim that man caused all these diseases. which isn't true. don't believe in the six thousand year mankind evolution either. it is not true.

Jerry

[onthecuttingedge2005]

Pessimist usually turn into terrorists. according to fanaticism, because they don't agree with the standard mid way of life. life in the middle. who chooses to be medium. life in the middle is better than life fully in the wrong.

will the God head ever learn how to reap those who are in the midst. i know you are in the future, you still don't comply.

[ATT]

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And, don't forget the fish.  Sea life is declining in many areas.

We can also look at plankton die-off, 'dead water' with not enough oxygen content to support life and industrial waste, mercury, ect.

I think it's reasonable to assume that as conditions continue to decline the effects will continue to propagate throughout the food-chain, events would seem to bear this out.

Like I said: individually, we can't 'save the world', but we can strive to put ourselves and our families in the best position we can manage in order to optimize our chances.
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[ATT]

Pessimist usually turn into terrorists. according to fanaticism, because they don't agree with the standard mid way of life. life in the middle. who chooses to be medium. life in the middle is better than life fully in the wrong.

will the God head ever learn how to reap those who are in the midst. i know you are in the future, you still don't comply.

Jerry, you know what? Those are the most philosophical statements I've seen on this thread...I think.

What triggered that issuance?

Do you think any of us are being too pessimistic in our evaluation?

What most of us try to avoid here is outright 'alarmism', but at the same time we don't want to be lulled into the false comfort of absolute 'denial', so I guess one could say we're somewhere in the 'middle', depending on your point of reference.

There is nothing particularly pessimistic about stating current conditions, we didn't pull any of this stuff from PrisonPlanet or the like, it's all mainstream data, whether economic or environmental, the conclusions the data lead to are individually arrived at and subject to re-evaluation as new data comes into view.

Also, keep in mind these are opinions and opinions are always subject to change as new information becomes available, I haven't run into anybody on here that's a hard-core 'survive or die' evangelist.

I do, however, welcome your opinion, but you're going to have to come down a click from the metaphysical so a simple guy like me can understand what you're getting at.

(Those -are- pretty deep thoughts, though!)

Tony

[the_big_m_in_ok]

ATT said:

We can also look at plankton die-off, 'dead water' with not enough oxygen content to support life and industrial waste, mercury, ect.

Absolutely.  Farm and lawn fertilizers add nitrogen---and especially---phosphorus to the ocean and cause plankton blooms to kill fish.  I've seen this myself.

Like I said: individually, we can't 'save the world', but we can strive to put ourselves and our families in the best position we can manage in order to optimize our chances.

Yep, right.  It's about all the average person has the power to do.  Taking on big business and city hall is like playing with a card deck stacked against the gambling player and for the gambling house dealer.  Win against those odds?  A miracle needs to happen, but I won't say it's impossible, just unlikely.

NOTE:
The term "gambling house" has a counterpart in Las Vegas that's a word which begins with 'C' and ends with 'O'.  Here's the word:  Casino.  (Nothing left but the period.)
When I look at the preview screen, the word is deleted and replaced with blank spaces.  That's because I think all this and other types of publicly accessable software is being censored.
--Lee