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I see an economic diasater coming...

Started by the_big_m_in_ok, September 03, 2009, 01:05:30 AM

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Do you think the American economy will ever improve?

Yes, definitely
Possibly, in the long run
No, it will worsen
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SeaMonkey

An easy to comprehend analysis of why the
Economic Disaster is soon to occur:

Quote from: The Daily Reckoning
By Greg Canavan in Albert Park

--When retirees and ordinary savers complain about low interest rates, it barely rates a mention. What would these simpletons know about financial markets?
--But when the 'bond king' pipes up, it's front page news. From the Financial Times:

Quote from: Times'The $10tn pile of negative-yielding government bonds is a "supernova that will explode one day", according to Janus Capital's Bill Gross, underscoring the rising nervousness over the previously unthinkable financial phenomenon.'

--Bill Gross earned the moniker 'bond king' through his long association as head of the world's largest bond fund manager, PIMCO. Keep in mind though; the biggest bond bull market in history helped his rise to greatness.
--But it's not only Gross joining the plebs in warning about this very serious financial retardation. The article goes on...

Quote from: Times'Mr Gross joins a mounting chorus of big investors who fret that this phenomenon will end in tears. Capital Group — which manages about $1.4tn — has warned that negative interest rates were distorting financial markets and economies, and might lead to "potentially dangerous consequences".

'Jeffrey Gundlach, the head of Los Angeles-based bond house DoubleLine, recently told a German newspaper that negative interest rates "are the stupidest idea I have ever experienced", and warned that "the next major event [for markets] will be the moment when central banks in Japan and in Europe give up and cancel the experiment".

'Larry Fink, the head of BlackRock, warned in his latest letter to investors that while low borrowing costs were a boon to many companies and countries, they come at a heavy cost to savers.'

--It takes people of financial distinction to tell us this?

--Well, yes. And yet nothing will change. The market will have to find its own solution, because it certainly won't come from policymakers.

--The Fed recognises the danger, but can't get out of first gear in trying to raise rates to even a semblance of normality. It had to pull its plans to do so last week after poor employment data.

--Negative interest rates are a retardation of the essence of capitalism. That is, you need to get a reward (expressed as a rate of interest) for handing your money over to another party.

--That there is now $10 trillion in bonds trading on a negative yield is an abomination.

--How did things get like this?

--Well, without the constant interference of central banks, the decisions of savers and spenders determine the rate of interest.

--The banking system creates credit by lending. This lending increases the amount of 'money' flowing through the economy.

--But the amount of credit creation in the first place is determined by how cheap or easy it is to get. That is, the rate of interest on credit, or money.

--In a non-central bank dominated world, low interest rates reflect a surplus of savings in the system. This is because previously higher interest rates encouraged people to defer consumption and save instead. This increases the supply of money in the system, pushing the price of it (the interest rate) down.

--The low interest rates then stimulate consumption and investment through increased borrowing. Borrowing is just consumption brought forward. This goes on until the 'savings' in the system start to fall.

--The fall in savings brought about by low interest rates means demand is greater than supply. What happens then? The price of money — the interest rate — goes back up to balance supply and demand.

--In this way, an unmolested financial system breathes in and out, matching the demand from investors and borrowers with the supply coming from savers. The interest rate is the regulator of this natural rhythm. Leave it alone and the economy and financial system will stay in balance.

--It won't be all smooth sailing. You'll get the occasional overshoot of activity followed by recession to clear away poor investment decisions. But downturns would not be prolonged.

--Now, let's bring the all-knowing and omniscient central bank into the equation...

--When it looks like the system naturally wants to put a higher price on money to discourage consumption and encourage saving, central bankers wave their wand and create more money.

--But there is more to it than simply 'lowering interest rates'. The way in which they do so is crucial to understand. When a central bank 'cuts rates', they do so by shoving more 'money' into the commercial banking system. The system thinks this newly-created money is real savings. It then reacts to this increased supply of money by lowering its price — the interest rate.

--This in turn sends a signal that borrowing, investment and consumption needs to increase, and saving needs to decrease.

--In other words, it's a completely false signal that creates the opposite effect of what is really needed.

--And yet central banks keep pushing the button. They have created so much money now that the weight of it is pushing nominal rates into negative territory. Investors (like the bond king) must actually pay some governments a small fee when buying their bonds!

--The absurdity is mindboggling. No wonder some of the world's biggest and best investors are turning to gold. From The Australian:

Quote from: Australian'Soros Fund Management, which manages $US30 billion for Mr Soros and his family, sold stocks and bought gold and shares of gold miners, anticipating weakness in various markets. Investors view gold as a haven during times of turmoil.'

--Risks are mounting. Yet the retardation of the price of credit/money by the world's central banks means there are few warning signs. Gold is perhaps one of the few genuine signals left to warn of these rising monetary distortions.

--I'm amazed it's still trading below $US1,300 an ounce.   

Cheers,

Greg Canavan,
For The Daily Reckoning

the_big_m_in_ok

" --Risks are mounting. Yet the retardation of the price of credit/money by the world's central banks means there are few warning signs. Gold is perhaps one of the few genuine signals left to warn of these rising monetary distortions. [/size]--I'm amazed it's still trading below $US1,300 an ounce.   
Cheers,Greg Canavan, For The Daily Reckoning "


       I've already said this before, either on this thread or another:  You can't eat a gold coin.   I don't bother to chase after money that will eventually be worthless.   Commodities and staples are going to be worth more than diamonds and rubies someday.   You can actually eat a can of pork and beans that is still fresh a lot more nutritious than gold, cash or crude oil.[/size]
       I'd pay more attention to something I can eat or drink than whatever can't be grown or renewed somehow.   Sustainable living is the way to go in the future.  Otherwise, all may be grievously[/size] affected  by coming events that could test the souls of man and beast alike.[/size]
       Everyone on Earth will experience what's coming as long as they live.   I think the only way to escape from worldwide eventualities is to die----and that may not stop the personal suffering of truly nefarious individuals when one wakes up in the depths of Hell.[/size]


--Lee
"Truth comes from wisdom and wisdom comes from experience."
--Valdemar Valerian from the Matrix book series

I'm merely a theoretical electronics engineer/technician for now, since I have no extra money for experimentation, but I was a professional electronics/computer technician in the past.
As a result, I have a lot of ideas, but no hard test results to back them up---for now.  That could change if I get a job locally in the Bay Area of California.

Gothic

I agree, methods of water purification and non perishable foods would make living during a time
of strife more bearable...  Even something as plentiful as iodized salt can become as precious
as gold, like the old saying "'worth one's salt"...  To be 'worth one's salt' is to be worth one's pay.

Imagine a lightning bolt several miles wide,  What, not possible, well it seems that sometimes
when two celestial bodies get to close something like the sort happens...  but don,t listen to
me, listen to the evidence, this is the gift of niburu or whatever you want to call it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5NK5j7dI0s

the_big_m_in_ok

Quote from: Gothic on June 10, 2016, 12:49:19 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5NK5j7dI0s
I watched the video and I agree with what the commentator says.   I also remember reading many years ago that A LONG time ago NIBIRU(spelling?) was actually a planet between Mars and Jupiter. The native destroyed themselves in a war when they dropped a huge hydrogen bomb with an additional heating means attached to it that allowed the bomb to settle down to the solid core.   The losers(?) of the war---evil aliens(?), maybe---acted like ISIS terrorists and detonated the bomb and that blew the whole planet out of its regular orbit into a very wide orbit past Pluto.


(NIBIRU is said to be inbound in its orbit at this time and UFO theorists believe it'll arrive near Earth's orbit by 2017.   The last such incident occurred ~10,000 yrs ago.   Widespread destruction and loss of life.)


       The close approach of planets to each other at that time caused planetary changes with "lightning bolts" to occur and then reshape the planets' surfaces to some extent.   Is this something that you can relate to, Gothic?
Of interest?
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/distant-planet-may-lurk-far-beyond-neptune


This one's strange:
http://beforeitsnews.com/mediadrop/uploads/2014/48/adbf31d35fef5ffe982843a9f7c270e9aaae5164.jpg
Here's the 'Web address:
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/11/planet-x-nibiru-system-the-story-of-our-lifetime-2014-3066632.html
       (Beware...This site immediately above is plagued by many commercial pop-up Internet ads.   Look out for 'malware' and/or 'spyware', eh?!?)


Okay, now.  Back on topic...
http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/1946685/china-hong-kong-and-other-debt-laden-economies-risk-major
and...
http://www.profitconfidential.com/economy/insider-says-this-could-trigger-the-next-financial-crisis/




Worldwide financial problems are going to be here for some people to cringe at for some time to come...


Last minute addition...
Case in point; latest I've seen:
http://marketrealist.com/2016/06/jim-chanos-says-chinas-outlook-pretty-grim/
       This is a lengthy set of articles on a "Market Realist" 'Web page that further illustrates that China is being looked at with apprehension by analysts in NYC and/or elsewhere.
       Get READY.


--Lee
"Truth comes from wisdom and wisdom comes from experience."
--Valdemar Valerian from the Matrix book series

I'm merely a theoretical electronics engineer/technician for now, since I have no extra money for experimentation, but I was a professional electronics/computer technician in the past.
As a result, I have a lot of ideas, but no hard test results to back them up---for now.  That could change if I get a job locally in the Bay Area of California.

SeaMonkey

Quote from: The_Big_m...
Worldwide financial problems are going to be here for some people to cringe at for some time to come...

Those problems are slated to get much worse in the
not too distant future.
  Nothing is left to chance...

The Group will be meeting soon to finalize the plan.