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I see an economic diasater coming...

Started by the_big_m_in_ok, September 03, 2009, 01:05:30 AM

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Do you think the American economy will ever improve?

Yes, definitely
Possibly, in the long run
No, it will worsen
Undecided

conradelektro

Quote from: SeaMonkey on August 16, 2016, 07:00:01 PM
In the coming New
World we will have honesty, integrity, transparency and
a complete lack of wicked money-lenders.

History teaches us that any political or economic system will fail eventually. Just wait long enough and every doomsday prediction will come true.

Unfortunately money-lending or debt was always invented again and again. Humans are money-lenders at least since 5000 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt:_The_First_5000_Years

So, over and over again everything will change, but money-lending will be back every time.

There is no trade without debt and the powerful will always enslave the weak by debt.

There is always a New World, but it is always inhabited by the same people. Therefore the New World is always in essence the Old World.

Greetings, Conrad

Smann

hello. the economic disaster begun many years ago, when americans gave up the gold value of their money... that was in the 1970s, if I recall it well...

Qwert

You're right, Conradelectro: the so-called New World targets are never achievable when DEMOCRACY rules. Paradoxicaly, we need a kind of TYRANNY to get there.

allcanadian

QuoteMargot Kidder — CounterPunch July 29, 2016

There is something I am going to try and explain here after watching the Democratic National Convention this evening that will invite the scorn of many of my friends. But the words are gagging my throat and my stomach is twisted and sick and I have to vomit this out. The anti-americanism in me is about to explode and land god knows where as my rage is well beyond reason. And I, by heritage, half American in a way that makes me "more" American than almost anyone else in this country except for the true Americans, the American Indians, am in utter denial tonight that I am, as you are, American as well.

I am half Canadian, I was brought up there, with very different values than you Americans hold, and tonight — after the endless spit ups and boasts and rants about the greatness of American militarism, and praise for American military strength, and boasts about wiping out ISIS, and America being the strongest country on earth, and an utterly inane story from a woman whose son died in Obama's war, about how she got to cry in gratitude on Obama's shoulder — tonight I feel deeply Canadian. Every subtle lesson I was ever subliminally given about the bullies across the border and their rudeness and their lack of education and their self-given right to bomb whoever they wanted in the world for no reason other than that they wanted something the people in the other country had, and their greed, came oozing to the surface of my psyche.

I just got back from a rather fierce walk beside the Yellowstone River here in Montana, trying to let the mountains in the distance reconnect me to some place of goodness in my soul, but I couldn't find it. The scenery was as exquisite as ever, but it just couldn't touch the rage in my heart. The visions of all the dead children in Syria that Hillary Clinton helped to kill; the children bombed to bits in Afghanistan and Pakistan from Obama's drones, the grisly chaos of Libya, the utter wasteland of Iraq, the death and destruction everywhere caused by American military intervention. The Ukraine, Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala, Chile, you name it — your country has bombed it or destroyed its civilian life in some basic way.

When I heard all the Americans cheering for the military and the pronouncements of might coming from the speakers in the Wells Fargo Centre, I loathed you. I loathed every single one of you. I knew in my gut that what I was taught as a child was true, which is that YOU are the enemy. YOU are the country to be feared. YOU are the country to be disgusted by. YOU are ignorant. And your greed and self-satisfaction and unearned pride knows no bounds.

I am not an American tonight. I reject my Puritan ancestors who landed in this country in 1648. I reject the words I voiced at my citizenship ceremony. I reject every moment of thrilling discovery I ever had in this country.

You people have no idea what it is like for people from other countries to hear you boast and cheer for your guns and your bombs and your soldiers and your murderous military leaders and your war criminals and your murdering and conscienceless Commander in Chief. All those soaring words are received by the rest of us, by us non-Americans, by all the cells in our body, as absolutely repugnant and obscene.

And there you all are tonight, glued to your TVs and your computers, your hearts swelled with pride because you belong to the strongest country on Earth, cheering on your Murderer President. Ignorant of the entire world's repulsion. You kill and you kill and you kill, and still you remain proud.

As a Canadian I have had similar feelings when visiting the U.S. and most seemed to look normal enough until they open their mouth. At which point I understood we are very different people and we do not champion death, destruction and greed. It is in fact everything we in Canada stand against it's just that generally speaking we are too polite to say we think your all Whacko.

AC
Knowledge without Use and Expression is a vain thing, bringing no good to its possessor, or to the race.

conradelektro

Quote from: allcanadian on August 17, 2016, 12:29:05 PM
As a Canadian I have had similar feelings when visiting the U.S. and most seemed to look normal enough until they open their mouth. At which point I understood we are very different people and we do not champion death, destruction and greed. It is in fact everything we in Canada stand against it's just that generally speaking we are too polite to say we think your all Whacko.

Your self-righteousness easily beats any US citizen. I have been to Canada and the USA and in principle I could only find more or less the same people (like anywhere on the world).

I do not try to be politically correct. But the big surprise (once I started travelling to many countries, and I worked in six different countries on three continents) was the similarity of human failure and kindness everywhere.

Of course, "the other country" is always worse than "the own country", naturally. You have no idea how good, intelligent and kind the people in Austria are. Austria is the model of goodness. Austrians are too polite to tell that, but the world knows it anyway.

Greetings, Conrad