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Overunity Machines Forum



Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model

Started by WattBuilder, September 14, 2009, 03:19:15 AM

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spoondini

Howard,
   Naming the effect after yourself before demonstrating conclusive proof such an effect is even real is like putting the cart before the horse.  I believe Mylow already named the effect after himself (and many before him), and Mr. Tseung has the 'lead out' effect which is also essentially the same, don't forget 'Roney Stators'.  You might need to take a number on naming the effect of extracting kinetic energy out of magnets and/or gravity unless you are really 'the one' who changes the textbooks.

By the way, to simplify further discussion, I'm going to give this effect the following name:

The Spoondini Effect - The effects of naming an effect not yet demonstrated except to one's self  

Feel free to reference throughout the thread for speed when we are redirected to the 'proof' in the one cycle video.

Sorry for being so blunt Howard, but you've moved from questionable claims to narcissism and possible self-delusion.

WattBuilder

Spoondini,
You claim you have experience working with magnets. So what’s your hold up on doing the experiment? Certainly even you can make a simple pendulum and video it. Or is the fact of the matter is that your too comfortable sitting on your high horse passing judgment.

Howard

broli

Spoondini was the first to bow to you WB, I think he's revolting because it injured his back.

tinu

Quote from: WattBuilder on November 06, 2009, 01:55:22 PM
Tinu,
Your contradicting yourself.

I’m not contradicting myself at all.
It’s true I wish I was wrong  ;D but there are no contradictions in my previous posts.

Quote from: WattBuilder on November 06, 2009, 01:55:22 PM
In the one cycle video both levers are entering the array with the same amount of energy. The drive magnet is too far away from the array to make any difference at the start point. I guess this is when experience comes into play.

This is plain incorrect. It’s just wishful thinking on your side and nothing more.
On the other hand, although I can live with your wishful thinking because I really don’t care as long as you keep it for yourself, when you go public as an “inventor” my wish is to put the facts back to their place and not allowing the readers be misled anymore. It was enough already.

The array of magnets you use has a magnetic field strong enough so it affects very crude mechanical setups many meters away! If you can not acknowledge that, you simply lack the experimenting capabilities and this might be one reason for your wrong conclusions but I suspect there are other reasons as well.

Quote from: WattBuilder on November 06, 2009, 01:55:22 PM
Before you suggest to the inventor, to study potential energy, then magnetism and conservative fields. I believe you should first.

I do, as I have done in the last 25 years or so. Still, I am no “inventor” but a mere physicist. 
What’s your qualifications and experience in the field?

Quote from: WattBuilder on November 06, 2009, 01:55:22 PM
If you did not see the video of OC’s great contribution post on this thread that he ask adminonduty to do. Here it is again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP_o1_jBUSM

The movie proves the point I already stated twice so far. Now for the third and hopefully for the last time:
Initial gravitational potential energy (Eg) of the OC’s setup is altered by magnetic field with a certain quantity that is magnetic potential energy (Em). In one case, total initial potential energy is Eg + Em (attraction) and in the other case it is Eg-Em (repulsion).
Because Eg+Em>Eg-Em (obviously, huh?!), the device oscillates asymmetrically, as per the same movie. No energy gain, no energy loss. Just gaps, gaps and other gaps in understanding …

Quote from: WattBuilder on November 06, 2009, 01:55:22 PM
The experiment you are requesting is has been done in a different way on the one cycle video. The trigger stick hold up the weight serves that purpose and also the tape mark where I used the clip to hold the pipe does as well.

Nope. The trigger stick serves the sole purpose to avoid adding kinetic energy at launch.
It has nothing to do with initial potential energy and other wrong considerations.

Quote from: WattBuilder on November 06, 2009, 01:55:22 PM
Bottom line you get a gain from the magnetic array vs no array.   

Not a single microJ!
But since you yell so loudly and insistently about it, I look forward to see a proof that holds water.
Please don’t make me explain three times each post; information is already there, it just needs to be grasped. Without gaps...  ;)

Cheers,
Tinu

exnihiloest

Quote from: WattBuilder on November 07, 2009, 02:25:31 PM
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The servo does use energy to rotate 180 degrees, but your forgetting that the energy gains from the magnetic array can be increased beyond the needed energy for the servo.
...

It is the key point that you have to prove. Until now it is a not founded assertion, a pure question of faith.
If it was true, you should be able to easily maintain a perpetual motion without any extra energy (for example you could add a second magnet track with reversed polarity, diametrally opposed to the first one in order you would not even have to rotate the magnet).
You have to rotate the magnet when it is still under the influence of the magnetic track field to enhance its magnetic potential and give it the potential to be pulled back again, at the price of mechanical energy.