Stephen Meyer was Not the Brains behind Stan Meyer

[L505]

Despite what the conspiracy theorists come up with, Stephen Meyer played almost no role in Stan's development. He only briefly chatted with Stan a few times and virtually played no role in the development of Stan's theories, math (lack thereof), and patents.

Listen to it straight from the horses mouth:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/WaterFuelMuseum/2007/03/25/stephen-meyer-part-1
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/waterfuel2007/2007/04/02/stephen-meyer
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/waterfuel2007/2007/04/07/stephen-meyer

http://www.google.ca/search?q=stephen+meyer+part+1+james+robey
http://www.google.ca/search?q=stephen+meyer+part+2+james+robey
http://www.google.ca/search?q=stephen+meyer+part+3+james+robey

Stephen is excellent at beating around the bush and avoiding answering questions.

So next time some quacktard or crackpot tells you that Stephen Meyer is the actual brains behind Stan's device, refer him to this post.

I get the feeling that Stephen doesn't even know how Stans device worked, and he somehow thinks that because he doesn't know how it works, he can invent a better device that actually does work.

These two brothers seem to want "investors with deep pockets, chuckle chuckle". The Meyer brothers also seem to file vague patents which they don't even understand (so that if hopefully someone does come up with an actual solution that slightly resembles their patent, those people have violated the vague patent and Meyer can complain).  These two brothers love to avoid answering direct questions as demonstrated in the above audio. Is that just the american way, to ramble on about stuff that has nothing to do with anything?

What's up with them two Meyer brothers? 

Still an interesting listen regardless.

I'm beginning to think Stan got his car running on water, but maybe just running, like from his 120v house electrical outlet. And when he got the car running on the battery in the car, maybe it only ran as long as the battery lasted. I mean an inventor can really get excited when an engine runs, and he may think that's great - but who's to say it wasn't just running from his home electrical power producing the hydrogen, or from the battery in the car temporarily until it ran out. Well, just from listening to the audio above, I detect a lack of confidence in Stephen's words ( he didn't seem to have that much confidence in Stan, even though he admits he never doubted Stan ). It's as if Stan got the engine running, and thought that was a huge accomplishment, so he celebrated. I mean sure you can get a car running down the road for a few minutes on a battery and take a video of that, and you can run cords from your garage and start a car up on 120v electrical power,  but actually proving it will run for a long period of time by itself? Stephen says nothing of that, and says nothing about the car actually running for several hours, just that they were happy it was running... Yippy.

[dankie]

Whats up with the two brothers is that they have invented something revolutionnary that goes against entrenched power , but Stephen is gonna pull it off it seems , at least for the wastewater treatment  , see xogen.ca for new updates . No "good" info is allowed to be leaked out , its too sensitive information and falls under national security act , just like everything else .

Quote: Xogen's patented technology uniquely splits the water molecule into a 2 to 1 mixture of hydrogen and oxygen gas with less electrical current than is predicted by standard laws of electrolysis.

You dont know what you are talking about , you probably have never done anything . Me and my colleagues have been blasting away on the Meyers circuit with no success , we just dont have the necessary skills to tune the impedance with choke only and calculated distributed capacitance etc ... It takes much skill , skill that we dont have so I am giving up . You can try your luck with Stan's original work ... Both Stan and Stephen were radar and antenna technicians , I know very little about telecommunications , I am still learning .

So now I am looking back @ things and trying the brothers setup , with more easily tuneable impedance matching network . Because thats the problem with Stan's design , once you are done and bored with that choke you just wound , you dont feel like calculating it and re-doing it 20 times , it makes tuning more difficult .

Stephen said he went back to square one , I believe him . There is no point in not believing him unless you dont believe a word .

So there is no point for me to waste my time on Stan's when I can work on the "back to square one" version .

[Cloxxki]

Sorry for butting in with my long-winded ass. I am no HHO experimenter, but an avid FE reader of late.

The lack of answers from experimenters regarding their actual water/katalyst consumption in HHO assisted setups always gets me thinking: what is the real deal? Please put simply how it is going to work, and what it will consume in terms of EP, water and if applicable gasoline!

What if Stan DID have overunity, getting more HHO out than EP in, BUT with a smaller gain than the efficiency loss in his engine? Indeed, on a full battery, he could run it to compensate for that difference a significant time. Battery-assisted, if you will, but running OU nevertheless.
I've noticed that one experimenter, www.overunitynow.com , is working on various highly efficient expanding gas engines. The most advanced one a patented rotary engine which will be difficult to produce with sufficiently low leakage (the man Tommey Reed's own words), the more simplified version working with dual pistons and ratchets per shaft resulting in continuous torque. I have the impression he's looking to get the very most out of the (slight) slight OU in HHO production vs. conversion back to H2O, by using a more efficient engine.
And even in a petrol-dependent era, if we're stuck with that for now, a more efficient engine is great anyway: less tank stops, huge mileage!

If you're dependant on an essentially back-and-forth chemical reaction with little OU per cycle, you can't use any big efficiency losses, or you'll have a dead stop soon.

As I understand the idea of water for fuel, and I do hope someone will correct me, or re-state the often left out obvious:

Let's say we can produce an X amount of HHO gas from any process that breaks up the water or other low-cost H+O source using Y amount of electricity. This would be way cool, if burning this amount of HHO would in theory produce 2Y electricity when combusted. We doubled our power!
Yes, but now we have only 1xY left to power our engine. Still decent, as it's more than anyone ever dared to promise us.
But wait, this 100hp nett is only theoretical. What efficiency does our petrol car offer, like 20% maybe? How do we then generate the electricity needed to produce the next X amount of gas, let alone do any useful work without the bubbler running "ouf of steam" right after the start-up battery dies?
It seems to me, that to get a regular car running on water via HHO production, you'll have to beat simple electrolysis by a factor of 10, or accept to have a very big engine bringing little power to the wheels, despite blowing mightily. An ~80% or better efficient engine like Tommey is claiming to be doable with his inventions, could bring this mark down significantly.
Nothing against Tommey's HHO's efforts, they look great, but if he could team up with the best bubbler system out (t)here to get the very most amount of HHO produced for Y amount of electricy, an HHO specific ratcheted engine might just offer the efficiency needed to get a self-running. What IS the best HHO production rate documented right now? How much more HHO that "should" be possible? Will the bubbler work without hick-ups (well, the opposite here) on a rolling car on a bumpy road?

Self-runnning HHO doesn't need to be a car immediately. Any type of proprietary engine that will run and run, as long as it's fed with water and perhaps some limited amount of catalyst, pulling a significant load, using an absolute minimalist battery or even just a small capacitor bank, that would turn the world around, I'm sure of it. GM will even want it at this point, they'll have something to BUILD, even if their oil buddies won't play with them anymore.

[dankie]

You seem to be directly attaking me and my work , you are probably an old forum member who I dissed before .

If you are referring to me , THAN YOU BETTER BACK UP YOUR TALK WITH SOMETHING !

I am sorry but I saw the nudge to aim at , dont hate the player , hate the game . Listen to fifty , pay attention haha!!.

I know all you can do is copy and ask for help

[Cloxxki]

You seem to be directly attaking me and my work , you are probably an old forum member who I dissed before .

If you are referring to me , THAN YOU BETTER BACK UP YOUR TALK WITH SOMETHING !

I am sorry but I saw the nudge to aim at , dont hate the player , hate the game . Listen to fifty , pay attention haha!!.

I know all you can do is copy and ask for help

@Dankie: Me? Not intending to diss anyone in person. EDIT: now reading back, you mack be confusing me for another current poster with a C.

And rest assured, I'm a true newbie at all this. My point of interest was bicycles for many years, I have a huge i-footprint under this same screen name. You'll notice there is just too much there to have another hobby on the side :-)

I'm typically not in the hate game unless directly and personally attacked, but I am in fact a frustrated bystander thinking there are shorter ways to giving the people water powered cars, when the smartest of the smartest work together.
With all due respect, but I am not yet familiar with your work, and most probably also not at the technical education level to even argue on anything, would I be out for that. When I find time, I'll try to do a read-through of your post to familiarize me with your work.

My attacks if any (I am just trying to understand the whole HHO point) are only on the HHO sub-culture I notice where HHO making info is shared, at least to a certain point, but is kept just a bit too vague for a relatively smart newbie (I'll refrain from brag list hree) to truly understand.
Anyone who makes more HHO that "should" be possible for the amount of power used, is a hero to me. I'll presume you are one.

Love and light!

J, from The Netherlands