Understanding electricity in the TPU.

[Rosphere]

@all

I am sorry to say this but from what i see a blochwall can be done with a Joule thief circuit , take 5 min build one , one transistor one toroid and a 1k pot...

The JT circuit is cheap and fun to play with.  Because of this, it may be some sort of key to our
ongoing OSFE efforts.

With just a few parts we get an oscillating circuit with voltage spikes multiple times higher than the
AA or AAA batteries we use.  We can light LEDs with 'dead' batteries.

I had not posted my earlier findings, for numeroIST reasons, but here they are:

1. two air core coils may be used, and the circuit still thumps
2. the air coils can be separated from one another and turned orthoginal to one another and the JT
circuit will still thump
3. bringing the coils back together from condition 2 in one orientation will increase thump frequency
4. bringing the coils back together from condition 2 in the other orientation will kill the JT
oscillations, (this is what happens when you wire your base coil backwards)

Good stuff.

[wattsup]

@Guys

If you are pulsing a coil, there is no blotch wall movement and there is no north and south able to stretch from one portion of the coil to two portions since it is only one coil, it is just conventional coil pulsing. Expanding and imploding a field but always at the same position over or under or beside a pick up coil, trigger coil, feed back coil, etc, is not new.

I have followed the JT thread although I have not posted there simply because I, like many, am only one person with my own limited time and have my other orientations. The amount of informational posts on the forum is getting very daunting and so one has to make a choice on usage of time. I am sure that when the JT guys hit on something really wild, we will all hear about it and I thank them for this in advance.

If with my tests, this can show a new and more unconventional way to transfer energy, then this will also be good for JT guys so we scratch each others backs. (a little lower, more to the right, ahhhhhhhhhh - lol).

If you take a TPU as a guideline, then you have to accept the fact that there is something happening that is simple but so far from our conventional methods that this one key will make all the difference and that one key can then be configured in many TPU designs as shown by SM. This is what I am looking for and to do that, you have to think and test out of the box. Like you are doing with your weaved coils. Like @Bruce_TPU is doing with his pancakes (what - no maple syrup).

When SM leaned over his LTPU and pantomimed with his hands both pointing to the other end of the LTPU with his hands together, then each hand followed its respective side of the outer LTPU and came back together close to him, this to me spells a dual coil pulsing. But dual coil pulsing is again not blotch wall movement. The movement can only happen if the one coil changes in its fundamental structure or winding while being pulsed. This is what I am trying to figure out and do and to my present knowledge, this is a new way to look at coil pulsing. So this falls in with looking out of the box.

I think the next stage after this has to do with coil resistance and knowing that electricity, if given the choice over two paths, will take automatically a proportional split into both paths but the one with least resistance will have more. That in itself is a great feat accomplished by two simple but different coils. Because if this, eventually I think the use of a center toroid will do away with two mosfets, leaving only the need for one mosfet in usage, but I am not there yet. I have the overall theory of it but not concrete enough to put it into technical words so I will just experiment these side issues first and this way it will help me to realize more the effect. lol

SM indicated;

- Knowledge of the coils.

How much coil knowledge does one need. I tried to ask one simple question on the post #1 of this thread but it seems the answer is not so simple. Where the answer is not so simple, it is worth investigating.

Coils on loops or toroids with added pick up coils, etc., etc., have been around since day one. So what kind of knowledge of the coil is required that we do not already have. That is what I am looking for and I will know right away when I find it because I have done so many that this gives me a good basis of comparison.

- Wire is very important.

Why is wire so important? A conductor is a conductor right? Wrong. There is a relationship between wire choice and frequency response. Did SM create a new type of wire. Don't think so. But in the thousands of wire types available, there is a mix of wire usage that provides the best coupling effect possible. If you follow again conventional transformer methods, then wire is less important because high efficiency is not a main criteria although we do know that doing the same with less copper means either cheaper prices or more profit for the makers. But it is still conventional.

What is getting clearer to me is pulsing should not occur in a multi stranded wire since the center most wires will be pulsing into the other wires that are also trying to pulse and this creates energy collisions even before they leave the wire, hence wastage. With only one strand, the pulse enters and freely exits the wire without being held back by more energized and pulsed wires around it. The action is quick, direct and unhindered. But this is still normal coil pulsing and cannot produce a moving blotch wall. So what will happen if you can both pulse and have a moving blotch wall. That is what I want to find out.

If you look at what @otto is doing, there you should realize that his design is not in the SM TPU method but more in @otto's own New Method (although I am sure he will humbly disagree) and he is getting some results and he may be just a hair trigger away from realizing even more. His design is totally out of the box. His build and driving method thinking is new. There is no other way to find a good mix.

As for using big batteries, lately I am only using one polarity. My FG is pulsing into one wire 16.5 volts in micro amps (not milli amps) with not even 2 volts actual applied, so I am not using big batteries. With this energy usage, I am lighting as many LEDS as I want and at the same time including one that requires a minimum of 5 volts to even start lighting up plus it is sending enough energy outward into open space that it is modifying the image on my TV that is 6-7 feet away. Does not seem such a bad thing to do with micro amps. lol

[giantkiller]

All very valid points.

The event I will call the 'eclipse'. It has been done in air, metal cores, transformers, sparkgaps. We have all jacked the potential in some way and there are not many. We have all seen this event in some other fashion in our equipment, on the bench, or on our bodies. No?

Trying to see or explain the event only takes a cursory view of how it was done in the first place. This alleviates any complexity.
For instance:
The joule thief uses the event from a ferrite core.
The Bedinin motor uses magnet field shear.
The Gk4 produces the event in an iron core.
Magnacoaster, Telsa, Gray, Dollard produce the effect in air.
Bucking coil config.
Bottom line?: Where(core) and at what angles?
How it comes out is the topology configuration.

Take a look at the reposted picture. The gate lead length is before the Fet. In all the other configs we have seen the source and drain lead length is after the fet. And there have been some layouts where the Fets and inputs /leads have been in the field and next to the outputs / leads. With these layouts we have tried all the signal protocols / combinations known to mankind, No?
But in this configuration the gate is parallel with the source and drain.
In my efforts I have been 100% correct AND so has everybody else! No hierarchy intended. Each of us seems to get lost at the output stage because the attempts can only possibly go so far. Hence the mystery, confusion, lack of follow through or just a plain old brick wall. The explanations after that do not serve justice.

Why do I mention this?
After watching and achieving the event in many ways myself and seeing this latest picture I realized I was looking at the TPU driver, with the feed back.
The long leads enable an extension of the FET ringing into space and back to the gate.
The SM17 has only three horizontal loops in parallel in space. If I had the gate line out there also I have a feedback accepting antenna. See?

So...
What if there was a dual pulse protocol applied twice or once and the comp wave returning hits the gate antenna?

Mannix had posted the same long lead drive configuration last year using tubes. Oscillator on the right, driven tube on the left connected by leads across the page.
The rest of mankind keeps the noise off the gate. I posted this 2 years ago.
This also plays into the speile of the electronics in the middle. See?
It has been pretty clear in my book. But all the combinations are fascinating.

Say what? You attached a 3 foot unshieled wire to the gate of a fet and left it hanging in space!?!?!?! What are you nuts? LOL.

--giantkiller.

[wattsup]

@GK

Right on. Hey, you're back. Hope everything went well.

You see in that red square area, while I was doing pulsing tests I would put other coils with leds on them and they would light up at different frequencies.

Once I get this blotch circuit and coil done and tested I will revert with results. I have never tested any coil that could shift its center blotch wall while collecting off of a top wound coil.

When I did my first tests on my regular coil builds and did not see the effect, I was so so sad to realize I misunderstood the intended effect from the start. But then I realized the pulsing circuit was not doing the job and even though this meant spending more time on the circuit, at least the theory is not in the doldrums. lol

I cannot think of any other way for the FTPU to work with such crappy winds, it has to be the blotch shifting at 5000 hertz. It works with my relays at 100 hertz so it must work at higher frequencies if properly set-up.

I will know soon enough, good or bad, no problem.

wattsup

[giantkiller]

Everything always goes well. Thanks.

The area in red is a magnetic 'free for all' zone. This loop also happens in audio, water, and crystal.
Now instead of trying to achieve a comp wave just run the gate on the opppsite side of a drain run of the same coil as a magnetic amplifier.

It has to be simple since the winds are crappy. I.E. all the multipactor models are totally visually open.
Those center toroid thingys could have a few wraps of iron wire as a core.
So keeping this thing simple which would equate to small then that points to all the deceiving additions on all the units. I now digress: SM's explanations would simply be poetic license under an NDA. We can see the dance he does.

@GK

Right on. Hey, you're back. Hope everything went well.

You see in that red square area, while I was doing pulsing tests I would put other coils with leds on them and they would light up at different frequencies.

Once I get this blotch circuit and coil done and tested I will revert with results. I have never tested any coil that could shift its center blotch wall while collecting off of a top wound coil.

When I did my first tests on my regular coil builds and did not see the effect, I was so so sad to realize I misunderstood the intended effect from the start. But then I realized the pulsing circuit was not doing the job and even though this meant spending more time on the circuit, at least the theory is not in the doldrums. lol

I cannot think of any other way for the FTPU to work with such crappy winds, it has to be the blotch shifting at 5000 hertz. It works with my relays at 100 hertz so it must work at higher frequencies if properly set-up.

I will know soon enough, good or bad, no problem.

wattsup

There are no failures. Only opportunities to learn.