Scalar Wave - Energy

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@ BEP, Loner

Well I do not think it is a scalar wave, but I was able to transmit a signal from inside of a stainless steel can to a small coil outside of the can. So I have confirmed that it is possible to send signals out of a Faraday cage.

[BEP]

Maybe not but it is interesting experimenting anyway.

[BEP]

@Loner,

It is clear to me that I am no LEM expert. Otherwise, I would be pulling some very odd rabbits out of my hat.

My cap analogy wasn't given to say the gaps were acting like caps. Like you said, perhaps in some very small way. It was given to bring out the switching action. And switching is indeed what gaps do. If one side is sharply pointed and the other a wide flat surface you have the equivalent of a rectifier. (also where the schematic symbol for a rectifier came from  )

I think the most important thing that should be realized from the triple gap experiment is the fact the dielectric does conduct charge. Not that the current flows at the ends first.

My understanding of the triple gap/cap experiment is this:

The reason why the ends fire first is because there is where the greatest separation of potential exists until they do fire. Then the greatest separation of potential is in the middle gap so it fires.

As for differences in color.... I have heard that many times before. Unfortunately, my spark color differences were related to the gap material, frequency and voltage.

Please! Do Not toss any of your results out - documented or in mind. I've done that too often and regret it immensely.

I always form my own opinions of results - I suggest you do the same. If we all do this then there is a pretty good chance at least one of us is right 

Cell tower antennas use such a variety of supposed innovation. From what you describe I would say each section is fed by a waveguide or the large oval or rectangular rigid coaxial transmission line. Either would be coupled to the antenna with a very small length of rigid conductor or a small open or closed conductor loop. A lot of possibilities there.

They normally use stacked elements with varying spacing between the elements (helps with minus radiation angle for closer clients and still concentrates most energy to where most people are... the ground) Usually these antennas will look like they are vertical polarization but they are not.

Oops.. being a bit wordy tonight...

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@ Loner

"I hope you can help me out" - and I hope you can help me out. It should all work best if we help each other. I spent 25 years as an RF engineer so I know that field pretty well. But there are many other fields I know nothing about.

"I can't imagine the Gaps acted like A" - there is capacitance between any two unconnected conductors, no matter how small or how far apart. But if they are small and far apart the capacitance is so small it is just considered an open circuit.

"I am questioning my results" - I think your result were correct (very clever setup), I just think you are interpreting them incorrectly.

"The first part was the ends DID spark first, then the middle" - this is what I would expect to happen, so I think your results are correct.

"spark didn't coincide with the measured voltage spike on the scope" - can not explain this. Probably has something to do with how you had scope attached.

"I really didn't think this was about "Swithing" - it is not about switching. It is about how the charge accumulates on the plates of the capacitors. It may take a while for you to understand this because it is not a way of thinking that you normally work with. You may note, it took a while for me to understand what was happening, and I am suppose to know about these kinds of things. I suspect that there are many, many, others who would not understand. But I am sure you will because you have an open mind. By the way, I remember now this is a trick question used to test physics students (many of whom get it wrong).

"I have no information at all when it comes to ...Scalar type of signals" - well you have more than me and your help would be appreciated.

"At this point, I don't think I want to know" - I hope that does not mean you no longer care about learning new things.

Think about the explanation I gave for the spark gaps. If may take you a while since this in new to you, but I think you will eventually see how it works. Put 3 caps in series and measure the voltage across the center cap. It should be zero volts. Now ask yourself, how can a spark jump between two points at the same voltage. If you see that, then you will see that there can not be a spark in the center gap until one side as had its voltage increased.

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@ Loner

Please note, I agree that your results were correct. In the case of 3 gaps the energy comes in from both ends to the middle. But, that is not what happens in a wire. At lease to my understanding.