another way to fight lorentz

[mr_bojangles]

originally i wasn't even going to make this an HPG, and im not sure what the benefit would be

basically any type of generator can be modified to work in the manner


i started with an HPG, and ended with my version of faradays disc

this time, its reversed to fit the specifications of an HPG, and it would have to include brushes (unfortunately)

the copper disc is on fixed axle, with three horseshoe magnets around the edge, on the same axle, but fitted with a slip ring

the magnets are connected together, and then to the axle, their own weight keeping them "down" while the system rotates

apologies for the bad pic, its off my phone

for proof of concept, im uploading a pic of the faraday disc, mainly to help see how it should behave

i have another HPG version, it will come later, hopefully it ends up being simpler to draw

[mr_bojangles]

@gravityblock,
and to whom it may concern

i wasn't sure if it would actually work, but apparently this does

the blacked out disc is fixed and can't rotate (darn i forgot to mark it so you could tell it wasn't turning, but there does appear to be a small white blotch on the upper left side of it if needed for reference)

the marked disc is free to rotate, and they are both connected by a belt


because only one can move, and because they are the same size, it translates into the type of motion we are looking for without gravity!

my only concern now is where the friction will go, i know it will be induced into the inductors axle, no idea what it will do with lenz

[mr_bojangles]

oops, only one pic got added, heres a couple more


i think its so interesting because the belt is the only thing "moving"

im pretty sure its the same thing as just putting another gear the same size as the discs in between them, but for some reason i feel as if this would be more efficient, maybe because there are fewer axles

what i really want to do is figure out a way to attach the discs to each other

im worried that being connected to the middle axle will some how give us some counter torque, but i think if we could figure out a way to attach the discs to each other we wouldn't have to worry about lenz

what i was thinking (didn't get around to testing yet) is connecting the discs with a belt, and either having a third disc on the middle axle, or not having one at all

if it does work connected to each other then i think its game over

[jadaro2600]

In the pictured faraday disk, the brush on the outter rim seems to be off-angle from the magnet.

Does anyone know what the repercussions for this is ...does it translate to less current than in another position?

[gravityblock]

In the pictured faraday disk, the brush on the outter rim seems to be off-angle from the magnet.

Does anyone know what the repercussions for this is ...does it translate to less current than in another position?

From what I understand, the angle of the brushes makes no difference.

What does make a difference is where the brush is placed in a conductive magnet.  There is a higher voltage potential on the outer rim, right in the middle of where the north and south poles meet.  I call this the zero point.  As you cross this zero point to the other side or pole of the magnet, then the voltage potential decreases accordingly.  I have never heard anyone mention this before, so I thought I would throw it in here.

This could be beneficial.  You could rotate one conductive magnet, with many number of other conductive magnets in series that is stationary and placed very close to the rotating magnet, and place the brush in the middle of the stationary magnets to have a higher voltage potential without any additional increase in power input requirements.

From experience it works when all the conductive magnets are rotating, but I haven't tested it when some are stationary.  Example, if I rotate 8 conductive magnets where they are in attraction mode to each other and connected, then the highest voltage potential is where the fourth and fifth magnet meet on the magnet's outer edge.  If the magnetic field remains stationary when the magnet is rotating, then I see no difference if some of the magnets aren't rotating and particle drift should come into play since the electrons will be moving through the magnetic field of the stationary magnets.

I'll work on a drawing for better visualization.

Edit:  I did a quick test and it appears they need to either all rotate together or brushes are needed between the stationary and rotating magnets.  I'll try more experiments on this idea.