Bob Boyce Hex Controller

[sterlinga]

There needs to be a main discussion thread on this topic.

Here are some links of relevance:

Project page: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Bob_Boyce_Hex_Controller - commenced Nov. 12, 2009

http://www.youtube.com/user/watkykjy1 - watkykjy1's YouTube channel

News story:
http://pesn.com/2009/11/12/Child_rides_on_free_energy_Boyce_watkykjy1/ Child Rides EV Toy on Boyce Free Energy! - A South African experimenter [who goes by watkykjy1] has modified an electrolysis circuit developed by Bob Boyce so that now it recharges his daughter's electric vehicle riding toy. What makes this remarkable is that the energy is not drawn from the wall but from the environment somehow. He's done this around 35 times now and knows of three replications of the effect by others.

OverUnity.com posts of relevance:
- http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2637.msg38008#msg38008 - Re: Talking about phase... by Bruce_TPU
- http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7417.msg177434#msg177434 - Re: The Bob Boyce challenge by aussepom
- http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3068.msg44853#msg44853 - The return of the Hungarian: FREE ENERGY from Wave-Fields... by tao

The attached images show the primary components:
- Hex controller by Bob Boyce
- Coil built by watkykjy1, per Boyce instructions
- Battery
- Scope shot of generation mode when battery is being charged through the hex controller being powered by the same battery.

[dankie]

This is just Bob Boyce trying to hype a legend again  .

Watky is the biggest *mythical* ever , he left us waiting for months on so called *special results* only he just dissapeared and left us with encouraging words like a politician would . In the end the HHO Boyce system didnt work .

Thx but no thx .

[sterlinga]

This is just Bob Boyce trying to hype a legend again  .

Watky is the biggest *mythical* ever , he left us waiting for months on so called *special results* only he just dissapeared and left us with encouraging words like a politician would . In the end the HHO Boyce system didnt work .

Thx but no thx .

It seems to me like this is a pretty good follow-up.  He's been at this for at least a month, and has helped three people replicate the effect so far.  It looks to me like one of the most significant accomplishments in a long time in this field, and he has been very responsive to my inquiries.  His silence has been out of sentiments of honoring Bob's NDA, and even in his disclosures to me last night and in his videos, he does not violate that.

I got an email from Bob today that I hope he will let me post.  Fascinating stuff.  Rather than complain, why don't you replicate?

[corona]

Well I for one am very interested. It all seems to tie together in my mind surprisingly well with the little I've read on teslas ideas of scalar fields, as well as the general idea of sharp pulse recovery a-la bedini style pulse motors. I haven't done a lot of direct research in mosfet based pulse/impulse current tests, although I have planned on doing more (i've spent more of my time playing with magnet and basic pulse motors in the past) I've been trying to get into pulsed electrolysis for a long time, but had problems obtaining the SS locally at a price I can deal with, and I got stuck on plans to build a far too over-designed controller I have been designing and redesigning over the last 2 years and never actually building.

After reading about this last night however, today I repurposed an old prototype of a brushless motor controller I've also been working on for some time (ie ripped off excess components and made some new firmware), and now have a very cheap, 3 channel microcontroller based pulse generator.

Currently, it makes on-pulses (at the gate) 100nS wide (can be made wider in software) with mosfet gate rise time of 80nS and fall time of 20nS (these are hardware limitation). The period of the pulses is set by a potentiometer, with max and min set in software - currently 3uS to 340us although the period is currently a tad unstable at the low end (still have to clean up the code a little).

I tried a quick replication of @Watkykjy setup but I don't have an appropriate toroid, I just tried a large mains toroid (~120mm OD) I had hanging around, leaving the primary (240V) unconnected, and connecting the two isolated secondaries (18V) to two of the channels, with flyback diodes (not high speed diodes unfortunately) connected via a 100uH toroidal inductor back to input.
I had my (good rms) multimeter measuring current and every time I connected coil/s power consumption went up as expected classically, regardless of pulse period. I haven't tried adjusting pulse width yet.

Considering how quickly I chucked this together and the fact that my coils are completely different from the carefully wound ones @Watkykjy used this test doesn't disprove anything, although it obviously would have been great to see a positive result with such basic equipment.

In this configuration though the circuit is simply a multiphase boost converter, nothing special about it other than the fact the switching inductor has a second unconnected coil. It has plenty of ringing at the mosfet drain as usually seen in a switcher (I do a lot of work with switching regulator design). I have a feeling I need higher speed diodes to catch more of this ringing, I now feel this is the key. In normal switching design you don't want pulses that are too fast as they produce excessive ringing, that you then have to try to dampen to keep a stable regulator running. It would be interesting if that ringing is in fact the key to this kind of power collection.

I'd love to get a proper toroid with the right silver plated/teflon coated wire, although I can't see that happening real soon. I would however be happy to clean up the design of this pulse generator and share it though, as It's very simple, but will produce far cleaner and faster pulses that the oft used 556 based pwm generators. It's currently only got 25V fets on it (4mR ones though, so will handle a bucketload of current - 256A pulse), so can't let the output flyback to high, but I've got some cheap 60V fets I'm a fan of that I'll chuck in the design that should switch at a similar speed.

I don't know enough about trying to tune to a resonance with the coil, but I'm planning on reading a lot more into it, as that's obviously the key to this all. I'd like to discuss a lot of this on the waterfuelforall forum as this seems to be where most of these key people chat, as well as the yahoo group, but I guess everyone else has also applied to membership to these since this article came out as I haven't got accepted yet ;-) Oh well, maybe more people will jump onto this forum, there's lot of smart people around here.

Corona

[sterlinga]

After reading about this last night however, today I repurposed an old prototype of a brushless motor controller I've also been working on for some time (ie ripped off excess components and made some new firmware), and now have a very cheap, 3 channel microcontroller based pulse generator.

Great work for giving it a whirl with what you had kicking around.  I look for good things from you when you actually use closer to the right config.

Sterling