Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor

[energyman8]

p.s... I believe in free energy too..... and zero point energy..... but I think they are the same thing.

[mark australia]

Dear Energy man, I studied the GMCC project closely and looked at their figures. At that stage they never achieved overunity, they just predicted they would. Unfortunately they informed the market and their shares went through the roof based on something they had not achieved. I predicted they would get into a little trouble with the authorities and distanced myself from the project.

Jack appears to have a great working, well crafted motor but it still has to be independently tested. I am sure when it does it will come through with flying colors.

I would be quite happy to look at there figures again regards the Remat device. They made a lot of promises and I and I think it was Butch were to go and test there device and measure overunity. This never happened and the invite was withdrawn

To date no one has produced an independently verified OU device..which is sad.
I know of quite a few exciting projects at the moment and hope they come through.
However we can all hope. keep up the good work Jack.

[Liberty]

Dear Energy man, I studied the GMCC project closely and looked at their figures. At that stage they never achieved overunity, they just predicted they would. Unfortunately they informed the market and their shares went through the roof based on something they had not achieved. I predicted they would get into a little trouble with the authorities and distanced myself from the project.

Jack appears to have a great working, well crafted motor but it still has to be independently tested. I am sure when it does it will come through with flying colors.

I would be quite happy to look at there figures again regards the Remat device. They made a lot of promises and I and I think it was Butch were to go and test there device and measure overunity. This never happened and the invite was withdrawn

To date no one has produced an independently verified OU device..which is sad.
I know of quite a few exciting projects at the moment and hope they come through.
However we can all hope. keep up the good work Jack.

Mark Australia,

Do you know of a good place or who could do an independent verification of a device?

Liberty

[mark australia]

Hi Liberty,
I am in the process of writing you a lengthy email about the history of many devices. I should send it some time today.
The question you ask has many answers.
With a device like this, all that is needed to be tested in the first instance is power in and power out as Jack is done.
The next step in Jacks case would be to get a certified engineer or lab to validate his results. It would not be hard in this instance. Finally the longevity test needs to be done..allowing the device to run under a small load for as long as it can in a controlled environment with everything being monitored.
With other devices, the next step in testing is(In the case of magnetic devices) how long the magnets last under load.
The next question is who should test it. That is dependent where someone lives and at what stage of development they are at. For instance given your electronics background you would be a good person for instance to test such a device. However the next step after is going to a lab that has some form of industry accreditation.

Then comes the next crunch...designing the test. (I love doing that bit)

I am rambling here but I think it is hard to give you a diffinitive answer as each device is different.
A friend of mine has asked me to form a group to do such testing and validations. He has devised a test that can be applied to many OU claims. He has been asked to perform his test on a replication of a well known OU device and with any luck I will be there as an observer and filming it. When this happens I will let you know. his aim is to have a universally accepted test for all devices that is accepted by the scientific community.

Where most devices fall down on credability (I could list at least 50 ) Is they have never allowed independent testing .
I know you follow Steven Marlks or Mark Stevens work , but as far as I am aware, he has never allowed fully independent testing. He has for instance done lots of demonstartions, videos etc,  but never allowed anyone to test it even in his presence. (by that I mean conducting a test with controlled parameters)
The list goes on, Torbay Motor, Ccyclone, Pendrev, Lutec and many other devices that are on the fringe such as Joe cells. They have never had indepent validation in a controlled enviroment.

I take my hat of to Paul Sprain who is very methodical about his testing and fine example to follow.

The two people I would contact in the first instance if I was in the US would be Stirling Allen or in Europe the moderator of this site who would know who to contact. In Australia I am fortunate to have access to several facilities at universities. The sad thing is I havnt had to call upon their services yet.
I have an open offer to go anywhere in the world at my own expense and take part in a validation and document it.
Sorry I cant be more definative, but if I had a device that I was allowed to test then I could be more specific.
Mark

[Light]

If I would have such kind of device, I would not give it to anyone to test it neither. If you want to test it - buy it and do whatever you want to do...
I would make it for myself needs and maybe for some friends. It's only way do not allow it to hide in some instances and "big brothers".
Besides, the only right testing tools is Time...