Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor

[gn0stik]

Hello gn0stik,

Well I guess you could call it an electric motor, however the permanent magnets deliver over %80 of the energy to make it run.  The electrical input is very small.

The large coil on the top is only there to activate the permanent magnets and use a very small amount of power.   The coil is wound to operate of around 100 VDC at under .20 amps.  That is about 20 watts total, and that would be at stalled rotor.  At 300 RPM it will be somewhat less than that.  There are no permanent magnets in the rotor, only coils. As far as I know there is nothing out there that is even close to what I'm building.   There is no excess energy. The energy this motor uses is almost totally comming from permanent magnets and a small amount of electrical energy.  I do not consider it to be overunity, however I do think it will provide free energy.

I don't consider anything "over unity" even if it does provide free energy. I believe even in situations where you get more (perceived) power out than in, you are harnessing something else, be it the atmosphere, zpe, "orgone"(if that even exists), or what have you. I get your drift.

As for how I formed my ideas, well it took alot of experimenting, I could fill a pickup truck with old motor parts I have built.  I have been working with this kind of thing for over 25 years.

Yes I do all my own machine shop work with just a standard vertical milling machine and lathe, and a few other small machines.  Thank for the compliments on the work.

credit where credit is due. very polished "prototypes".

Could a mock up be done with off the shelf stuff.  Most of the stuff I use could be baught just about anywhere in town, however the silicon steel laminet is a different story.   I finally found a place to buy it but I had to spend over $1000.00 in material and shipping.  NOT an off the shelf product.

I really wish I could throw you a bone, in fact I would like to tell all.   However I have some investers that would probably shoot me if I did.  They have over the years invested alot with this project and like all investers they expect a return on there investment. One thing I can say for them is the fact they had faith in me and was providing me with money to work with only when I had a dream. As soon as the patents are issued, I will tell all.

Later,,,,,JackH

We'll be holding our breath Jack, Good luck.

Regards,
Gn0stik

[Liberty]

I have come to the understanding through experience, that magnets do not behave the same as batteries.  They are very different.  A battery for the most part, stores power that will deplete, where a magnet continues to produce a force constantly, which can be converted into motion to do work with an appropriate device.  Therefore, less outside electrical power is needed in conjunction with a magnetic device that can extract work from the magnetic force of a magnet.  This is why you can obtain a motor (like Jack's magnet motor and my magnet motor) that extracts work from magnets using less outside power to perform this work (as compared to a comparable standard electric motor that would do the same amount of work using more power).  As long as you don't 'strain' the magnet beyond it's ability to retain it's pole alignment, the magnet will continue to operate and produce a force for a very long time.

Liberty

[jake]

I don't mean to be rude, but why would anyone want to have his invention "validated"  by someone who is not capable of LEGALLY doing so? 
I don't doubt your knowlege, or your professionalism, or the quality of your staff,
but, if I thought I had something  unique, I would guard it with my life and seek full patent  protection before letting ANYONE, especially a professional who knows what he's looking at see my secret, and then stealing it.

I'm not saying you are dishonest either, but would YOU  do that if you invented something?   NO way!  First, i consult my lawyer and get my patent [ending aplication submitted.  I wouldn't even proceed with that untill I have refined my device and worked out the bugs.

You answered your own question.  You have to "work out the bugs".  Working out the bugs would include getting some independent testing to validate what you are purporting.

[Liberty]

I have come to the understanding through experience, that magnets do not behave the same as batteries.  They are very different.  A battery for the most part, stores power that will deplete, where a magnet continues to produce a force constantly, which can be converted into motion to do work with an appropriate device.  Therefore, less outside electrical power is needed in conjunction with a magnetic device that can extract work from the magnetic force of a magnet. 

You should read some of Howard Johnson's  writings  dealing with the properties of magnets, and their "vortexes" they produce.  The textbook explanation of magnetic fields and properties is wrong.

http://www.cheniere.org/books/HoJo/index.html  This site has other stuff written by Howard Johnson as well, you just have to look for it.

Who is he?  He's the guy who build the first  self running magnet motor way back in the 60's. The blueprints for the motor are available for free as well.   BUT, Howard Johnson warns everyone, that you MUST understand magnets, and their properties. You can't just take any old magnets and expect success. He built that motor with ceramic magnets, which were very hard to match in those days.  The reason he says, people fail in their projects, is because they do not match their magnets properly, ensure they are of of equal strength,  the same type,  and the proper shape.  Shape of the magnets is vital to any magnet motor, or else it will degauss even if you do manage to get it to work.

Notice that the Argentinian guy says that as well, SHAPE matters!   That's why you will notice on his rotor magnet  that the trailing end (as well as the lead end) are cut and tappered, and his stator magnets are haped as well.  Why? because the south pole votex will react with the stator magnets,  and even if you get it to work, it will degauss them eventually.

I like our friend who so kindly let us view his work, have spent a good part of my lifetime tinkering with this concept as well,  and came to realize that shaping magnets is vital.  The only thing is, shaping magnets is also damn near impossible.
Now however, there are some better tools to make that job somewhat less tedious. for about $50.00 , you can buy a dremel tool, and diamond impregnated sanding/grinding drums, which  makes the impossible now merely near impossible.
The determined person can do it.  The impatient person will fail.

The shaping of magnets is not required in Mr. Flynn's design to my knowledge (not sure about Jack's magnetic valve, while I have understanding of how it operates, I won't discuss details on his device until it is protected by patent).  I use standard neo-magnets with no re-shaping of the magnets on my magnet motor.  Just standard off of the shelf neos, N35 or any other strength. 

I have tried to build a Howard Johnson style motor before too.  It is very unstable.  You would have to be very lucky in my opinion to ever get a Howard Johnson style motor to run (but it sure looks cool).  Too many variables to deal with in my opinion.   (To my knowledge, Howard has been unable to replicate his own motor).  There are colliding magnetic fields to deal with which is why many magnetic motors will not run or will not run well and may degauss the magnets because of stress to the magnets.  (The Howard Johnson style motor, needs the curved magnets to effectively be weaker going one way and stronger going the desired direction and shielding or magnet shaping is involved to try to get it to run).  Much too complicated in my opinion and very difficult to build.

For an effective magnet motor, you have to figure out how to not run into an opposing magnetic field (like Torbay has done) (using shielding or some other method) to really have good success on a magnet motor  that can be replicated and expanded easily (unlike the Howard Johnson style motor).   Therefore you must either; flip the magnetic flux path (such as a Flynn style device)  or devise a way to avoid an opposing magnetic field while remaining close enough to the magnetic field to still have torque, taking advantage of the force available in the desired direction (like the Perendev style magnet motor attempts to do with shielding and magnet positioning, but it would cost a small fortune in magnets to build one of these). 

By the way, thank you for the small generator suggestion, very kind of you.  I will look into it.

Liberty

[Light]

Liberty. "I use standard neo-magnets with no re-shaping of the magnets on my magnet motor".
- And where can we see you motor? What's the basic principle? Thank you.