Joule Thief 101

[ramset]

Webby
actually its a much deeper issue with MH.. he is trying desperately to call Brad and Smokey posers
frauds  BS "ers  or whatever else he can ,as well as rule resonance  a Trigger word for fraudsters and scam artists .
he claims resonance is of no unusual value beyond known practices and present applications..
Ho Hum stuff...Calls fellows BS'ers who say otherwise ..sans his nonsense ICE assumption ,and calls fellows Liars
to Boot ...

Oh I forgot he moved the goal post on all his NASTY comments and says he meant it in a friendly way [I guess??]??
yeah MH calls guys BS'ers as a compliment Now ,nothing at all to intimate a Lier or such  ...
how far will you move your Moral compass MH ??

he has woven a big web for his Nasty self

MH
you have set the standards by which you judge others here ,and now you are a hypocrite who wont own up to
his own Hypocrisy !

you try very hard to discredit TinMan in particular.. it seems at all costs ??

why are you doing this nonsense ...certainly not to teach him about resonance and how to manifest it
he has already shown a better understanding than yourself [ICE claim as one example]
he obviously understands acoustical resonance  [his how to tutorial ]
he plays with resonance in circuits to win Pulse motor competitions at will
and even made a very big discovery playing with resonance and magnetic... fields...

ohhhhhhhh is that what this is all about ....??

OKay then !!

The motive surfaces...

[MileHigh]

The gases that the engine use are part of the system.

So here is a simple little starting point

http://www.brighthubengineering.com/machine-design/84316-how-intake-resonators-improve-volumetric-efficiency

I do not believe that MH is interested or willing to learn anything on the operation of an ICE and its components,, so any technical requests would be superfluous.

I think the analogy was a mistake and should just be dropped,, as well as the wine glass.

Finally, Webby you linked to a real article about using intake Helmholtz resonators to improve inlet volumetric efficiency.  That's great and it makes perfect sense and I get it.

Don't you allege that I am not  "interested or willing to learn anything on the operation of an ICE and its components."  That is a just a totally stupid thing to say when I have made repeated requests for more information.  This is where we separate the men from the boys:  I challenge you to apologize for saying that nonsensical thing when the only reason you said it was to be negative.

The wine glass is a perfect topic for discussion because it exposes who is real and who isn't.  It makes you question what you are doing and if you need to do some more learning and research before you go on the bench.

I am not going to be made out to be some kind of a "bad guy" for getting you guys to really think about what resonance really is and how it may or may not apply to a Joule Thief.  The root cause for the ridiculous hostility is because some of you come face to face with your own limitations and the need to learn something new if you are going to be more effective if you want to explore resonance in a Joule Thief.  You don't like it one bit because you feel exposed.  Demonstrate your competence with respect to resonance first, that would be a good start.

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

Chet:

What it all comes down to is you are in your "protective mother/groupie" roll right now and that gives you a feeling of purpose.  Heaven forbid that you act unbiased.

Brad's definition of resonance in a wine glass is "you hit it at the resonant frequency and it starts to resonate."  You might not have a problem with that in your bound condition but the real world and for any sane person with a reasonable technical background it's completely ridiculous.  They would find that "definition" laughable and better for Romper Room than a forum where people are supposed to be researching energy with oscilloscopes and mutimeters.

In all likelihood Brad will not lift a finger to try to educate himself.  Smoky2 also gave a jaw-dropping "explanation" for a resonating wine glass and if you are astute you saw how Brad has flat-out disagreed with him.  Magluvin is a mystery.

My advice to anyone that is curious about answering the two questions about the wine glass is to do some research and take a crack at answering them.  If nobody gets it the answers will be revealed later.  It's supposed to be a pop quiz and not an insane asylum.

Do you see Chet - this is a fun pop quiz that has people stymied.  Now people can take it at face value as a pop quiz and wait patiently for the answers if they don't get them, or they can stomp around like a bunch of near-crazy people pulling out their hair and spewing out tons of negativity.  All over two measly questions about a resonating wine glass?

MileHigh

[ramset]

OH
so IXNaey on the ICEEYEAYResonanceeyeay

just about The Wine glass stuff Now
Sticken to the Glass.

Got it
Wink Wink...

shoulda said something about forty pages ago but OKEE DOEKEY

need any help with that goal post ??Looks heavy...

your startin to scratch up Stefan's Carpets ...

[tinman]

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MileHigh

Finally, Webby you linked to a real article about using intake Helmholtz resonators to improve inlet volumetric efficiency.  That's great and it makes perfect sense and I get it.

As i expected -you missed the very same,that was posted some time back now--along with a lot more,including video's showing the timing,and scientific explanations of said resonant features in an ICE.

Don't you allege that I am not  "interested or willing to learn anything on the operation of an ICE and its components."  That is a just a totally stupid thing to say when I have made repeated requests for more information.  This is where we separate the men from the boys:  I challenge you to apologize for saying that nonsensical thing when the only reason you said it was to be negative.

If you were interested in learning MH,you would not play your !skip post! reading game,and then say--no one has posted any of the information i requested,and there for have not presented any proof of resonance in an ICE.

The wine glass is a perfect topic for discussion because it exposes who is real and who isn't.  It makes you question what you are doing and if you need to do some more learning and research before you go on the bench.

The lesson being learned here MH,is how you miss posts,and then blame others for not presenting information to back up claims.
How inadequate you are at accounting for all factors and forces that will determine the top speed of a car.
How you love to preach,but are unable to come to terms of simple operations-like resonant featires in an ICE.
How you do not seem to know what the scientific determination of resonance is,and how it relates to different systems.
How !so far! you have been wrong with nearly everything on this thread,and yet still believe it is all us that have no idea as to what we are talking about.'

And the list go's on.

I am not going to be made out to be some kind of a "bad guy" for getting you guys to really think about what resonance really is and how it may or may not apply to a Joule Thief.  The root cause for the ridiculous hostility is because some of you come face to face with your own limitations and the need to learn something new if you are going to be more effective if you want to explore resonance in a Joule Thief.  You don't like it one bit because you feel exposed.

Demonstrate your competence with respect to resonance first

, that would be a good start.

This has to be some sort of joke.
You cant understand the simple mechanisms behind the resonant features in an ICE,to the point of saying that there is !no! resonance in an ICE.
You not only missed a vital piece of information in your !cars top speed! determination attempt,but have no idea as to what it was that you missed.
You dont even know what the correct scientific determination of resonance is,and then you have the audacity to say that !we! all need to demonstrate competence with respect to resonance.
LOL--are you serious